Active Topics
-
Firefox with Leste (10)
to Maemo 7 / Leste by teroyk - 2 days, 18 hrs ago - more...
|
2018-04-18
, 06:47
|
|
Community Council |
Posts: 4,920 |
Thanked: 12,867 times |
Joined on May 2012
@ Southerrn Finland
|
#72
|
The problem with percieving Reality is that it is very much dependent on the sensory input of the perciever; with our natural senses we can get thin slices of reality, often conflicting with each other and then construct from that an "inner reality model" that we percieve. This is not only limitation of our senses but also of our physical brain and psychological thought processes.
Using instruments we can get different sizes and shapes of Reality that can be compressed into our sensory input but it still is not the whole Reality-as-is, and we still are limited in the processing side.
Using instruments we can get different sizes and shapes of Reality that can be compressed into our sensory input but it still is not the whole Reality-as-is, and we still are limited in the processing side.
| The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to juiceme For This Useful Post: | ||
|
|
2018-04-18
, 06:54
|
|
Posts: 592 |
Thanked: 1,167 times |
Joined on Jul 2012
|
#73
|
Originally Posted by juiceme
Remember also we are part of reality too!
The problem with percieving Reality is that it is very much dependent on the sensory input of the perciever; with our natural senses we can get thin slices of reality, often conflicting with each other and then construct from that an "inner reality model" that we percieve. This is not only limitation of our senses but also of our physical brain and psychological thought processes.
Using instruments we can get different sizes and shapes of Reality that can be compressed into our sensory input but it still is not the whole Reality-as-is, and we still are limited in the processing side.
__________________
BWizz - best N9 bookmark editing tool! Check it out ->BWizz for Harmattan
LINKer - transform your N9's home view in a Desktop, give it the freedom it deserves! -> LINKer for Harmattan
QuickBar - Can't find the app you used yesterday in your overcrowded Home Screen? Want access to the QuickLaunch bar even in the home screen? QuickBar for Harmattan
If you like our work, and would like to support via PayPal : users.giulietta@gmail.com
BWizz - best N9 bookmark editing tool! Check it out ->BWizz for Harmattan
LINKer - transform your N9's home view in a Desktop, give it the freedom it deserves! -> LINKer for Harmattan
QuickBar - Can't find the app you used yesterday in your overcrowded Home Screen? Want access to the QuickLaunch bar even in the home screen? QuickBar for Harmattan
If you like our work, and would like to support via PayPal : users.giulietta@gmail.com
 |
|
2018-04-18
, 07:08
|
|
Posts: 1,161 |
Thanked: 1,707 times |
Joined on Jan 2010
@ Denmark
|
#75
|
The apple with a worm is part of Reality though it won’t change Reality by cutting it down nor eat it or what ever you choose to do with it. The Apple would at one point stop existing as that particular apple anyway, though it’s energy will remain as part of Reality (Reality is non changeable). You just helped it along to its end as a mass/manifestation in our world, which is freedom of choice and relativity at play. The action will only change your reality from apple hanging on tree till now it doesn’t (the apple is still the same apple, thus Reality). Though your view on the apple might have changed from delicious to disposable (relativity in play).
Reality = Alpha and omega or all that is and is not. That entity can’t be changed and will stay as is for ever regardless of our doing to the mass inside the relative reality we live in, which Raelity only sets a frame for.
Reality = Alpha and omega or all that is and is not. That entity can’t be changed and will stay as is for ever regardless of our doing to the mass inside the relative reality we live in, which Raelity only sets a frame for.
__________________
My Procreate art:
https://folio.procreate.art/dousan
My Søciety6:
http://society6.com/Dousan
My Procreate art:
https://folio.procreate.art/dousan
My Søciety6:
http://society6.com/Dousan
 |
|
2018-04-18
, 07:18
|
|
Posts: 764 |
Thanked: 2,888 times |
Joined on Jun 2014
|
#76
|
Originally Posted by tortoisedoc
You're confusing 'causality is the same for everyone' with 'causality exists'. Hume already showed nearly three centuries ago that causality - as we interpret it - is purely a mental construct, and if we assume humans are equipped with mostly the same mental faculties, it's reasonable to assume 'causality' is the same for everyone. This leaves completely open the possibility of whether causality actually exists outside of our mental constructs (quantum mechanics would say it both does and doesn't at the same time, only after it's observed does a causal relation either exist or not), and if it does, whether our mental constructs are reflections of the actual causal processes or causal interactions, whether our mental constructs and actual causality function in different ways (our mental constructs could require counterfactual dependence, but perhaps actual causality doesn't). These questions concern metaphysicians to this day.
causality is the same for everyone. An apple cutted from a tree will still stay cutted from it no matter which frame of reference you look at it from.
To return to the apple: it's only cut if you choose a frame of reference to observe it.
 |
|
2018-04-18
, 08:22
|
|
Posts: 6,447 |
Thanked: 20,981 times |
Joined on Sep 2012
@ UK
|
#77
|
Originally Posted by acrux
Yes. Back to the topic.
So - back to the topic - there are at least two "things" starting with capital R - Rostelecom and Reality
Someone once introduced me to the school of thought that says that everyone is right. If you think they are wrong, it does not mean they are. It merely means you have not yet found the point of view from which they are right.
So, from what point of view is the Russian takeover of Jolla good?
__________________
Русский военный корабль, иди нахуй!
Русский военный корабль, иди нахуй!
 |
|
2018-04-18
, 10:35
|
|
Posts: 654 |
Thanked: 2,368 times |
Joined on Jul 2014
@ UK
|
#78
|
Originally Posted by pichlo
Right, so I'm just going to say it - I have a feeling many of us are thinking it but it's an uncomfortable thought and so it's gone mostly unspoken so far.
So, from what point of view is the Russian takeover of Jolla good?
From the Kremlin's point of view, it's handy not to be too reliant on Apple/Google software, which is produced by companies based in NATO countries. Especially when you have very different strategic aims to those countries, and tensions are increasing because you:
- recently annexed part of another country
- "probably" either lost control of your stockpile of your favourite nerve agent (best case scenario) or explicitly sanctioned its use against citizens in a NATO country (worst case scenario)
- are propping up another regime that is using chemical weapons on its own people
- are (quite successfully) gaslighting citizens in your own country and other NATO countries about all of the above
If relations deteriorate further, you probably don't want to have your government ministers chatting about strategy using a Google handset.
As for whether we here can benefit from the extra money/development efforts resulting from Russia investing in SFOS... that's a separate question. Will SFOS remain a mostly open platform that the Russian gov just happens to use lots? Or will it become like Android - open core but with all kinds of shady telemetry and crap on top, this time with the telemetry handled by companies aligned with Russia instead of America.
NB: I don't see "Russians" as synonymous with "Russia", by which I mean the current Russian government.
 |
|
2018-04-18
, 13:40
|
|
Posts: 89 |
Thanked: 532 times |
Joined on Sep 2015
|
#79
|
I love this discussion guys. I'm a Facebook refusenik, but I've been wondering lately about trying out some of the alternatives. I have found that the quality of discussion is depressingly low. Maybe TMO is the only social media that I need, and it has been under my nose all this time 
As far as the nature of reality is concerned, I think that there is a core within which there is no scope for real debate. For example, I read somewhere that at the beginning of the Versailles treaty negotiations after the First World War, Georges Clemenceau said something like: "Whatever people say in the future about what happens here, no-one is going to assert that Belgium invaded Germany". The issue is realising when you are outside those limits, and you have to choose between different interpretations on the balance of evidence.
Off topic, and I don't care....
As far as the nature of reality is concerned, I think that there is a core within which there is no scope for real debate. For example, I read somewhere that at the beginning of the Versailles treaty negotiations after the First World War, Georges Clemenceau said something like: "Whatever people say in the future about what happens here, no-one is going to assert that Belgium invaded Germany". The issue is realising when you are outside those limits, and you have to choose between different interpretations on the balance of evidence.
Off topic, and I don't care....
|
|
2018-04-18
, 17:57
|
|
Posts: 592 |
Thanked: 1,167 times |
Joined on Jul 2012
|
#80
|
Originally Posted by nthn
Casuality is much, much more than a "mental construct". It's physically defined, in the relativity theory!
You're confusing 'causality is the same for everyone' with 'causality exists'. Hume already showed nearly three centuries ago that causality - as we interpret it - is purely a mental construct, and if we assume humans are equipped with mostly the same mental faculties, it's reasonable to assume 'causality' is the same for everyone. This leaves completely open the possibility of whether causality actually exists outside of our mental constructs (quantum mechanics would say it both does and doesn't at the same time, only after it's observed does a causal relation either exist or not), and if it does, whether our mental constructs are reflections of the actual causal processes or causal interactions, whether our mental constructs and actual causality function in different ways (our mental constructs could require counterfactual dependence, but perhaps actual causality doesn't). These questions concern metaphysicians to this day.
To return to the apple: it's only cut if you choose a frame of reference to observe it.
I'd recall another "mental construct", btw, which Galileo back in the days did not accept.
__________________
BWizz - best N9 bookmark editing tool! Check it out ->BWizz for Harmattan
LINKer - transform your N9's home view in a Desktop, give it the freedom it deserves! -> LINKer for Harmattan
QuickBar - Can't find the app you used yesterday in your overcrowded Home Screen? Want access to the QuickLaunch bar even in the home screen? QuickBar for Harmattan
If you like our work, and would like to support via PayPal : users.giulietta@gmail.com
BWizz - best N9 bookmark editing tool! Check it out ->BWizz for Harmattan
LINKer - transform your N9's home view in a Desktop, give it the freedom it deserves! -> LINKer for Harmattan
QuickBar - Can't find the app you used yesterday in your overcrowded Home Screen? Want access to the QuickLaunch bar even in the home screen? QuickBar for Harmattan
If you like our work, and would like to support via PayPal : users.giulietta@gmail.com
Last edited by tortoisedoc; 2018-04-18 at 19:22.
BWizz - best N9 bookmark editing tool! Check it out ->BWizz for Harmattan
LINKer - transform your N9's home view in a Desktop, give it the freedom it deserves! -> LINKer for Harmattan
QuickBar - Can't find the app you used yesterday in your overcrowded Home Screen? Want access to the QuickLaunch bar even in the home screen? QuickBar for Harmattan
If you like our work, and would like to support via PayPal : users.giulietta@gmail.com