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2018-07-30
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#862
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Originally Posted by Dave999
Well if you ask me:
You might. I don’t. I don’t really care of specs, design and what not at all atm. All that is completely irrelevant to me currently. Do we even have a project? How is he planning to bring this to the market? Do he have it worked out or do he plan to prototype this and after that looking for support?
I’m not saying chen shall disclose it. But that is something that is more important than technical issues and specs so what’s you thought about that?
It's up to him, if he want to share those details or not. He doesn't owe me ANY information, even though I'm looking forward to any Information he gives.
But reading your posts, it seems, his biggest mistake was, that he shared his plans in this forum at all.
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2018-07-30
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Originally Posted by Fellfrosch
It could be. Depends on your position. I’m not talking about chen. Since it’s no crowdfund he has absolutely no obligation to to share more than he wants.
Well if you ask me:
It's up to him, if he want to share those details or not. He doesn't owe me ANY information, even though I'm looking forward to any Information he gives.
But reading your posts, it seems, his biggest mistake was, that he shared his plans in this forum at all.
I’m talking about your views. You think it’s better do develop this in secret without sharing anything?
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2018-07-30
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@ Southerrn Finland
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#864
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Originally Posted by deutch1976
OK now I just have to nitpick...
Even if it goes wrong he (Chen) has done much more than anyone else
There are numerous people here who have released both nice SW and HW, so I'd like you to be a bit more specific.
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2018-07-30
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@ Lisbon - Portugal
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Originally Posted by juiceme
I don't need to be more specific than this
OK now I just have to nitpick...
There are numerous people here who have released both nice SW and HW, so I'd like you to be a bit more specific.
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2018-07-30
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Originally Posted by Dave999
You are right that we do not have this information, but your message was suggesting that the statement that Chen "is trying" could be questioned. I don't think we need to look into the books of the company or their development and marketing strategies to tell whether or not they are trying to reach the goal, that is all.
You might. I don’t. I don’t really care of specs, design and what not at all atm. All that is completely irrelevant to me currently. Do we even have a project? How is he planning to bring this to the market? Do he have it worked out or do he plan to prototype this and after that looking for support?
I’m not saying chen shall disclose it. But that is something that is more important than technical issues and specs so what’s you thought about that?
Chen is regularly telling that this task has not been abandoned and that progress is currently being done, he initially polled the community in this thread to check the demand, came up with hardware ideas and shared mock-ups of the theoretical device. Now, he stated that the prototyping stage has started, and he has confirmed/altered some of the initial specs in his later messages. If that is not a project, then I don't know when a project can claim being a project.
One can of course doubt the very premise that Chen is telling the truth, but since he is a famous 10-year member of our community, who on top of that has succeeded producing his previous keyboard mod, the least we could do is to spare him skepticism about his honesty. Especially as he is not even asking money to develop the product he wants to show us. Chen doesn't need anyone to defend himself, but come on, our fragile community should be more welcoming when someone is willing to invest time, sweat and capital into something we want. I would not find a great motivation into doing so if that kind of ambition is rewarded with skepticism and ranting from the community itself.
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2018-07-30
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Chen has been a busy guy...
And has done some good stuff...
But I beg to differ on the whole "more than anyone" line...
There are a good number of guys long gone who have done quite a bit...
And it will take years and years and years more for Chen to stack up the accolades to go toe to toe with their accomplishments ...
And has done some good stuff...
But I beg to differ on the whole "more than anyone" line...
There are a good number of guys long gone who have done quite a bit...
And it will take years and years and years more for Chen to stack up the accolades to go toe to toe with their accomplishments ...
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1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
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THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
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2018-07-30
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Originally Posted by Kabouik
Yes, and we are here supporting him. What is the issue? Waiting for information whenever it’s available. Could it be that you have misread the thread? To me atleast it’s obvious that all are hoping that chen will succeed.
You are right that we do not have this information, but your message was suggesting that the statement that Chen "is trying" could be questioned. I don't think we need to look into the books of the company or their development and marketing strategies to tell whether or not they are trying to reach the goal, that is all.
Chen is regularly telling that this task has not been abandoned and that progress is currently being done, he initially polled the community in this thread to check the demand, came up with hardware ideas and shared mock-ups of the theoretical device. Now, he stated that the prototyping stage has started, and he has confirmed/altered some of the initial specs in his later messages. If that is not a project, then I don't know when a project can claim being a project.
One can of course doubt the very premise that Chen is telling the truth, but since he is a famous 10-year member of our community, who on top of that has succeeded producing his previous keyboard mod, the least we could do is to spare him skepticism about his honesty. Especially as he is not even asking money to develop the product he wants to show us. Chen doesn't need anyone to defend himself, but come on, our fragile community should be more welcoming when someone is willing to invest time, sweat and capital into something we want. I would not find a great motivation into doing so if that kind of ambition is rewarded with skepticism and ranting from the community itself.
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2018-07-30
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Originally Posted by Fellfrosch
Now you are just being facetious. Like a teenager who has been told off for leaving dirty bits on washed dishes and exclaiming, "alright then, next time I won't wash anything!"
But reading your posts, it seems, [Chen's] biggest mistake was, that he shared his plans in this forum at all.
I, personally, agree that Chen is under no obligation but he certainly is not managing expectations very well. "I am doing something and it will be absolutely fantastic" is a very bad way of handling it, simply because if whatever comes out at the end is even a smidgen below someone's idea of "absolutely fantastic", he will get the flak for failing to deliver on promises.
There are only two ways of handling it properly. Either keep quiet and surprise everyone with a ready product or keep the development absolutely open. Black or white. Gray is an invitation to speculations. I hasten to add that speculations are not Chen's fault but if there is something he can do to prevent them, then why not.
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2018-07-30
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#870
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Not to stray into the realm of speculation...
But I know what is going on...
But I know what is going on...
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3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
Meateo balloons now available @ Dave999's Meateo Emporium
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Owner of :
1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
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