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2019-01-16 , 00:25
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What does that mean? You mean they vote leave but really wanted to stay?

Sounds counter-productive to me. Unless they get a new improved deal

No cool devices at CES?

Have to wait for x10 X to see what 2019 will bring to the table with plenty of cams and mem.
Buyer's remorse, in this case, means that originally the people voted for Brexit, but later the public generally changed it's mind. They realized it was a bad idea and consequently there was too much political pressure to go forward with it.
 
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Originally Posted by mscion View Post
Buyer's remorse, in this case, means that originally the people voted for Brexit, but later the public generally changed it's mind. They realized it was a bad idea and consequently there was too much political pressure to go forward with it.
Possibly. So what to do then?
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2019-01-16 , 04:08
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Possibly. So what to do then?
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2019-01-16 , 09:39
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Originally Posted by mscion View Post
I think the British got buyers remorse!
This is not the best place for serious discussions but...
  • The distribution of Leave/Remain voters has been pretty even before, during and after the vote. Which is why it was so difficult to predict the result.
  • The number of undecided voters was very small. I have yet to meet anyone from that group. That includes people I know personally as well as those I met online.
  • I have yet to meet anyone who has changed their mind since the vote. That includes people I know personally as well as those I met online.
  • If there is any "buyer's remorse" then it must affect only the small group of undecided voters. If anything, the Leave voters I spoke to, either personally or online, are even more convinced that they were right. it might of course be a case of shouting louder to drown their own voice of doubt but they would never admit that.
  • Given the vote went one way with such a small margin, even a small proportion could swing it the other way. However if a second vote were held tomorrow, I would not expect a decisive victory one way or another. It would be another 48/52.
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Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
This is not the best place for serious discussions but...
  • The distribution of Leave/Remain voters has been pretty even before, during and after the vote. Which is why it was so difficult to predict the result.
  • The number of undecided voters was very small. I have yet to meet anyone from that group. That includes people I know personally as well as those I met online.
  • I have yet to meet anyone who has changed their mind since the vote. That includes people I know personally as well as those I met online.
  • If there is any "buyer's remorse" then it must affect only the small group of undecided voters. If anything, the Leave voters I spoke to, either personally or online, are even more convinced that they were right. it might of course be a case of shouting louder to drown their own voice of doubt but they would never admit that.
  • Given the vote went one way with such a small margin, even a small proportion could swing it the other way. However if a second vote were held tomorrow, I would not expect a decisive victory one way or another. It would be another 48/52.
Human beings are extremely adaptable. One of the chief characteristics of the success of ours on this planet.

Our minds however are extremely hard to change even if the valid reason is right in front of us. We change our behavior long before we change our minds and even longer before we admit changing our official position.
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2019-01-16 , 12:51
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Being an outsider, I can't say I understand the merits Brexit. But, from what I've read, it was expected that parliament would vote overwhelmingly against current plan of disengagement. Also from recent polling it looks like a six point change, which I would consider significant. 52/48 for/against to 46/54 currently. Maybe other polls are different or more accurate. It appears that Brexit is most likely going to take place. I guess the issue was how the disengagement will take place. Don't know if another referendum has a high probability. Perhaps more interesting/important is how a minority can control the fate of a nation or even the world. In the US, the government shutdown, a result of trying to impose policies supported by a minority, that is getting smaller and smaller, is beginning to wreak havoc on many levels...
 
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Originally Posted by mscion View Post
52/48 for/against to 46/54 currently. Maybe other polls are different or more accurate.
There is no such thing as an accurate poll. The only poll that gives a correct result is the actual vote itself. Until then, no one can really tell, as we have seen at least twice in the recent history (*cough*Trump*cough*).

Yes, there are different polls. The results differ depending on who does them and when. Just like the first time, the polls swing almost daily.

52/48 or 46/54 makes too little a difference. Should the second vote go in favour of Remain with such a small margin, Leave will never accept it and call immediately for best 2 out of 3. The only real difference would be if the rerun showed a really decisive result, like 70/30 or more. But that is not going to happen.
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Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
Human beings are extremely adaptable. One of the chief characteristics of the success of ours on this planet.

Our minds however are extremely hard to change even if the valid reason is right in front of us. We change our behavior long before we change our minds and even longer before we admit changing our official position.
Wow, I am impressed. To the point that I am actually quoting Dave999. Well done, boy.
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Spot on! Seems weird that a simple majority can decide the fate of a nation. So many complicated consequences of this decision...

EDIT:Removed wrong quote.
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Originally Posted by pichlo View Post
Wow, I am impressed. To the point that I am actually quoting Dave999. Well done, boy.
Becouse I’m attacked by AI’s every day. I might be too smart for my own good to the point that people might quoting me once in a while

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