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Originally Posted by nthn
Who cares? What does it matter which part of the chain is responsible? The only thing that matters is the result. And the result is that you cannot use a "modern" touch screen for anything requiring precision.
That doesn't mean the screens themselves can't recognise precise touches, it's the software behind the screens that's optimised for an entirely different use case.
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The only this I would change for fx if it was no problem is probably, smaller screen/device size, Wacom level type of pen input and I guess a radio transmitter
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I do think there is a change that another device will hit the market if fx is successful. I also remember that Chen mention that the cost of including a pen would make the cost more than small niche market would pay for.
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.I do think there is a change that another device will hit the market if fx is successful. I also remember that Chen mention that the cost of including a pen would make the cost more than small niche market would pay for.
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2019-03-27
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Originally Posted by pichlo
It simply isn't true. The screens don't forbid it, the drivers / the operating systems do. Get someone to write a good driver that supports precision touching on capacitive screens, and it'll work just like its resistive counterpart. The problem is not the screen technology, but the fact that all mobile operating systems are designed to be used with fat fingers.
Who cares? What does it matter which part of the chain is responsible? The only thing that matters is the result. And the result is that you cannot use a "modern" touch screen for anything requiring precision.
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer
That's a complete strawman and you know it.
multi touch is mostly needed for games and other kids stuff. zooming in and out is more comfy with volume buttons, or any other single-touch gestures. having a physical keyboard means that you can play any games without even touching the screen. sooo FxTec Pro1 might even come with resistive and presice touch screen, supporting _any_ object as stylus. buuuuuut everyone would squeal like pigs about it being soooo old and non-modern regardless it's properties so it's impossible.
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I have got my coder friend interested of N900. Last weekend let him play with my device. I showed him the application manager and boasted how many apps there are and said just scroll. He tried to scroll with a finger. Selected the app with every touch and no scrolling. I said try with a stylus. Same thing. I have struggled with the same problem. Didin't impress him. Some things are definately matter of how things have been coded with touch screens.
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All these discussions about resistive vs capacitive are lovely and interesting (and I did like using my N900's screen back then), but it's all moot when it comes to the Pro1.
For it to succeed, it needed to cater to a wider market (hello Crapdroid) and be affordable(ish).
That last part implied using parts that are easy to find in big quantities, which means lower prices (it also makes it easier to find replacement parts).
I can't say I know the market of mobile phone screens (spoiler alert: I don't), but from what I gathered, the N900 was one of few exceptions, and capacitive screens are now just about everywhere.
So as much as I like the idea of having the option to get a resistive screen on the Pro1, it's not going to happen.
Maybe we can discuss it for the Pro² (or whatever the name might be), if the Pro1 is successful, but for now: baby steps.
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For it to succeed, it needed to cater to a wider market (hello Crapdroid) and be affordable(ish).
That last part implied using parts that are easy to find in big quantities, which means lower prices (it also makes it easier to find replacement parts).
I can't say I know the market of mobile phone screens (spoiler alert: I don't), but from what I gathered, the N900 was one of few exceptions, and capacitive screens are now just about everywhere.
So as much as I like the idea of having the option to get a resistive screen on the Pro1, it's not going to happen.
Maybe we can discuss it for the Pro² (or whatever the name might be), if the Pro1 is successful, but for now: baby steps.
Originally Posted by shaihkritzer
Considering finger-zooming usually happens between your fingers, I don't see that doable with just buttons, or you'd just be zooming on something/place/position you can't control.
zooming in and out is more comfy with volume buttons
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Originally Posted by nthn
I'm pretty sure it is just the OS that does fuzzing the touchpoint and matching it to the closest UI element and not the driver.
It simply isn't true. The screens don't forbid it, the drivers / the operating systems do. Get someone to write a good driver that supports precision touching on capacitive screens, and it'll work just like its resistive counterpart. The problem is not the screen technology, but the fact that all mobile operating systems are designed to be used with fat fingers.
Consider N9 with evtap, which I'm pretty familiar with
it gives you very accurate position info, down to single pixel resolution.
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Originally Posted by shaihkritzer
Something even I stumble upon after having used my Jolla for some time without touching the N900!
ever tried to give it more pressure?
it's not gorilla glass so you won't break it if pushing harder then gentle touch. try using resistive screen properly.
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Not sure if sufficient hardware will be included on fx but would be amazing if one could get spen or some other stylus to work like this. Maybe it's not the just the pressure but angle you hold pen to screen like calligraphy.
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Originally Posted by Wikiwide
You should go try playing with a galaxy note phone, they are equipped with wacom's digitizer that not only give u precision tapping, also pressure sensor.
It is possible to detect two simultaneous touches on resistive touchscreen, as Neo900 shows: http://cache.freescale.com/files/32b.../CRTOUCHDS.pdf from http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagra...00/neo900.html . It is sufficient for "usual" multi-touch gestures, such as zoom in and zoom out, though I have to point out that MicroB supports "old-fashioned" single-touch gestures.
I prefer having precision tapping available, even if it is not required. And having dual capacitive+resistive touchscreen could be a fun experiment - thought it would lack anti-scratch ability of a usual capacitive touchscreen.
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EDIT: resisitive or not, it is just a way to enable precision tapping. While resisitive screen may be able to achieve this easily, however, for the general public, a capacity screen that allows multitouch easily, and HCI guidelines that are specially designed to tackle imprecise finger tapping is prolly much more appreciated (or expected by users of modern smartphones). Also I remembered reading the designer purposefully pick components that are common, in order to drive down the building cost, which lowers the sales price. F(x)tec Pro 1 is currently not really priced that low (it is priced similarly to my Pixel 3 that I bought during the promotional period, and Pro 1 is on 2 years old SoC), I can only imagine how much more it would cost in order to be built with all the niche components just to please a small crowd.
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I prefer having precision tapping available, even if it is not required. And having dual capacitive+resistive touchscreen could be a fun experiment - thought it would lack anti-scratch ability of a usual capacitive touchscreen.
Thank you. Best wishes.
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