Brontide: sorry, I must have misread your post. You can ignore my posts. I just understood that the lack of PIM is, for a lot of people (mainly "common" people who just want an IT for productivity) is a fault, just like a malfunctioning email app. And I didn't want to start a thread just to say that.

/me retires to my insignificance.

For the police on duty, thanks for the advices. I gave up posting. Will only post my questions from here.

It's amusing reading one-off, subjective evaluations of this most complex piece of equipment. Having managed digital infrastructure comprised of many hundreds of computers I still end up mystified how any two machines, cloned progeny of the same parent, can end up behaving so differently from one another.

Contrary to the experiences of some, my N800 simply works as I use it throughout the day, for email (Modest/IMAP), or Pidgin, my IM of choice. Until Abiword is completed, I happily create text documents in Notes (exported to HTML and blutetoothed to my Mandriva desktop). Spreadsheets in Gnumeric work great, with the only obstacle being my aging eyes. And I am now learning to love finger-friendly Canola. The Nokia beats the pants off of any notebook wandering around my campus' wireless LAN.

My guess is that for the majority of users, few of whom are represented in this forum, and who likely don't stray far beyond included applications, the experience is more than satisfactory as they learn what it is or isn't suited for.

My post wasn't about N810 first impressions... It was about the importance of threads that points out what could be improved on next OS releases, like I had undestood this post was about.

But I must have misread what Brontide expressed, and I already apologised with him.

Well, I speak for me, you speak for you, and the millions of potential Nokia consumers speak for them. That was not a rant, Tex. Believe me, I like my N800 very much and made a great effort to buy it (I live on Brazil, where guess? Nokia doesn't sell the ITs).

Personally, I believe the importance of those threads to generally be "low", as they tend to largely end up being rants.

If you really want to affect some positive change, head on over to bugzilla, register and get to filling , contributing to and voting on bugs. That's where the people who are actually capable of fixing things hang out.

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Dude, you have a few of us pegged all wrong...

Which I covered in my first post... for the past month it's not seen a stable release where it worked consistently without either complaining every time it opened or crashing in the background. It also does not replace osso-email, since there is no documentation on how to swap out the uri handling ( if it's even possible at this point ).

Once it's stable and included in the firmware then I might be able to check email off the list of beta quality software.

Then your experience does not jive with mine (honestly, I didn't give the first post more than a cursory glance as these threads all seem to start the same way), yes, Modest is beta, but I've found it to be quite stable and usable for my particular use case (3 IMAP accounts, none of them particularly large).

:shrug:

Check the roadmap, it does replace osso-email, just not at this stage.

You mean this roadmap?

http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html

That is a list, not a roadmap. It's a list without dates, context, or priorities. It's everything I have come to expect from Nokia at this point. Sometime "later" they will dump another os2008 update on us with little to no community input or testing with the features they have gotten around to.

It's funny; about the same time the complaints of Modest crashing with Gmail IMAP accounts started in these fora, Modest finally stopped dumping core on every connection to a SSL'ed POP3 server I use. And now I see from postings here that Gmail IMAP users are finding joy with Modest again, and my account still works too. Sometimes software development is two steps forward, one step back, but overall, Modest is improving. By the time it's out of beta, it should be a solid product.

No dude, it's you who got me wrong. I wasn't ranting.

See, I don't work in the "tech side of the force" , I have minimum knowledge of Linux (despite having a big wish and I've been trying to use it), and am starting in the IT world. Just wanted to give my contribution, and I'm being compelled to post things like this. I definitely didn't feel welcomed... I think other people like me would feel intimidated to post something...

That's it, I must be only one of the dozen that thinks it.

Bye!