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2008-05-21 , 21:23
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I have all the Gronmayer repositories installed, and the only problem I ever had with conflicting versions of software is when Application Manager tells me it can't install something because it conflicts. And then, guess what I do? I don't install it.

BTW: I have seen GA HIMSELF recommend the Gronmayer site on multiple occasions.
 

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2008-05-21 , 21:29
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Well, I asked a simple question and got a devious non-answer.

How else do I get a straight answer to a simple question from you guys?
It was not devious at all, and was certainly a straight answer. In fact that reply provided more information than you actually asked for, in very simple, direct form:

-it said, in summary, "no" (which is why I don't understand why you assumed "yes")

-it notified you that I would never be so cruel as to wish pain on users in any form, which should save us further axle-wrapping in the future.

So you got a bonus.

Now, you can't beat that.
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2008-05-21 , 21:31
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BTW: I have seen GA HIMSELF recommend the Gronmayer site on multiple occasions.
Again, I have yet to see anyone deny the VALUE gronmayer provided.

Emphasis provided to keep the context from being missed.
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2008-05-21 , 21:33
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Accuracy is indirection now?
I did not say you were inaccurate! I realise that is how the motivation scheme works right now. I doubt that many devs consider that as real motivation to work on the tablet or to join Maemo.

"Application = N810"

I was trying to suggest that Nokia offer a free tablet to any dev the first time they create an application on Maemo. I think that this would motivate a lot more guys to move/write their apps for Maemo.

What would this cost?

Lets say that the mfg. cost of an N810 is $200 and that this could booked as a marketing expense for the full retail price of the unit. Finland is a high tax jurisdiction so Nokia might actually be able to make money by giving tablets away to developers.

I suspect that the worst case would be that each tablet might cost Nokia $100 in real money. How many devs would Nokia like to have submitting their first app to Maemo? Lets say 1000 - which sounds like a heckuva lot to me. So for a $100,000 investment (a single year of salary at loaded labour rates) Nokia would get 1000 new apps for the N800.

I know this is not going to happen, but what the hell.
 
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2008-05-21 , 21:39
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OK, I thought that was intended as a simplification. Quite frankly, I can't see how that could work as you described. Maybe if it was the first time they got an app allowed in extras...

I can write an app; if it'd get me an N810, I'd write an app that nobody really wants, and that wouldn't be production quality (beta or so, maybe), and take the tablet, drop the app, and run. That doesn't help Nokia so much, and I'll bet there's bunches of programmers who would take such an approach of questionable ethics if it got them a tablet.
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2008-05-21 , 21:50
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OK, I thought that was intended as a simplification. Quite frankly, I can't see how that could work as you described. Maybe if it was the first time they got an app allowed in extras...

I can write an app; if it'd get me an N810, I'd write an app that nobody really wants, and that wouldn't be production quality (beta or so, maybe), and take the tablet, drop the app, and run. That doesn't help Nokia so much, and I'll bet there's bunches of programmers who would take such an approach of questionable ethics if it got them a tablet.
based on the tablet-discount-giveaway-to-application-and-service-ratio... well, maybe it's better I stop there.
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OK, I thought that was intended as a simplification. Quite frankly, I can't see how that could work as you described. Maybe if it was the first time they got an app allowed in extras...
I did say that.

I can write an app; if it'd get me an N810, I'd write an app that nobody really wants, and that wouldn't be production quality (beta or so, maybe), and take the tablet, drop the app, and run.
Would you really? Well not everybody is like you.

It is only a $400 unit, would you really spend time doing that for a $400 hardware unit? Plus the negative karma...

That doesn't help Nokia so much, and I'll bet there's bunches of programmers who would take such an approach of questionable ethics if it got them a tablet.
There are lots of easy fixes (jury, download count, reviews, votes) for that problem - but I don't think that it would be much of a problem. Writing an app for the tablet is not that easy.

(And I get accused of saying 'dont'?)
 
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dont, he was being hypothetical.

You might try reading slower, and leaving the bias out.
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I did say that.
Actually, you didn't. Your post made no reference at all to extras, or any other approval process. You said "the first time they create an application on Maemo."

Would you really? Well not everybody is like you.

It is only a $400 unit, would you really spend time doing that for a $400 hardware unit? Plus the negative karma...
Yes, I would spend a day or so for $400. In point of fact, I wouldn't actually do it with that intent. But when the motivation is to get any app at all out there, it's unlikely that I will either pick a particularly helpful app (like the long-awaited PIM-to-end-all-complaints) or that I will really follow through very well. The road to abandoned betas is paved with good intentions; why encourage this already prevalent tendency of open-source software?
There are lots of easy fixes (jury, download count, reviews, votes) for that problem - but I don't think that it would be much of a problem. Writing an app for the tablet is not that easy.
Well, there is the one I suggested, since extras already has a review system, but Nokia could do something different and encourage repo fragmentation if they really wanted to.

And yes, writing or porting a simple app is easy. I have yet to see a decent finger-friendly RPN calc for maemo. I would write one, and probably leave it in less-than-finished state, if this was announced. It wouldn't take long at all, it would scratch an itch for me, and it would get me a tablet. It would be, practically speaking, abandoned when the itch went away (some point rather short of finished), and I had the tablet. And it would be practically zero benefit to the community at large.

But I don't know why I'm speaking out against this; I should encourage it, and just make sure I jump in before Nokia realizes what a bad implementation it was, and shuts it down.
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You might try reading slower, and leaving the bias out.
you mean biass, right?
(wait, wrong thread )
 
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