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2008-06-23
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Originally Posted by gwalborn
In my experience with my victims ... errr ... friends and family that I have introduced Linux to, it is not "favorite" Windows applications they want to run, it is rather the applications that they have learned the step by step methods for how they want to do their day to day stuff; as painful as those steps might be. It is also the applications that they have their data trapped in.
4) The BIGGEST complaint that I get from new Linux users is that they are upset that they can't run their favorite Windows programs. This is BY FAR the main reason that I have been unable to get some Windows users to stay with Linux. This is particularly true for users that do business with their box, as there are still many companies (such as banks) that use proprietary software or require Internet Explorer to access their web sites.
Easy data migration and similarity of application methodology are the two things that make it easier for people to migrate but they are two of the hardest problems to solve. It is difficult to emulate many different conflicting ways of doing the same things and to make data converters that transfer ill-defined formats perfectly.
But to get back to krisse's initial inquiry, there is no end of sites, mailing-lists, forums that will answer a newbie's questions in a welcoming fashion. However, I do find their advice to always end up suggesting a command-line to run in jargon-laden instructions because that is typically the most efficient means of fixing a newbie's problem or finding out where the problem is but not neceesarily the most efficent means of communicating with a newbie.
This is not much worse than the directions to newbies having issues with Windows though. It is typically along the lines of a mysterious shotgun approach in the following progression:
1) reboot and cross your fingers
2) update/reinstall your application you are having issues with
3) update/reinstall a driver
4) put in your initialization disk and wipe out everything back to the state the computer was in when first shipped
5) reinstall Windows
What is the newbie-friendly site for Windows users for which you are seeking a Linux analogue?
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2008-06-23
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#33
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I think the OP's topic is very valid indeed, because this discussion has devolved into a nerds' discussion, often disregarding and going off track of her initial query 
Oh btw:
Ease of use != Ease of maintenance\repair.
Oh btw:
Ease of use != Ease of maintenance\repair.
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2008-06-23
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Honestly im not really for linux for the fact that im not used to it. When i first bought my n810 I was so excited, but once i started to install some apps i was extremely dissapointed that i had to go through so much trouble just to get some of them to work and still havent figured out most of it.
I am wanting to get my wife one to so that she could have the comfort of having the internet with her but im not sure that i could put her through all of the trouble that i have had to go through just to get it a little user friendly.
The command lines are something of the past and it seems that linux just isent wanting to change that. No one that i know wants to learn all of those. Now a-days people want things that are going to be as simple as possible and when you make them learn a bunch of codes and abreviations just to get there things installed a lot of people will give up or just say that its not worth the time when you have a choice, and lets face it there are a lot of choices out there.
I am wanting to get my wife one to so that she could have the comfort of having the internet with her but im not sure that i could put her through all of the trouble that i have had to go through just to get it a little user friendly.
The command lines are something of the past and it seems that linux just isent wanting to change that. No one that i know wants to learn all of those. Now a-days people want things that are going to be as simple as possible and when you make them learn a bunch of codes and abreviations just to get there things installed a lot of people will give up or just say that its not worth the time when you have a choice, and lets face it there are a lot of choices out there.
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2008-06-23
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Originally Posted by matthewcb4
get a slimy iphone
Honestly im not really for linux for the fact that im not used to it. When i first bought my n810 I was so excited, but once i started to install some apps i was extremely dissapointed that i had to go through so much trouble just to get some of them to work and still havent figured out most of it.
I am wanting to get my wife one to so that she could have the comfort of having the internet with her but im not sure that i could put her through all of the trouble that i have had to go through just to get it a little user friendly.
The command lines are something of the past and it seems that linux just isent wanting to change that. No one that i know wants to learn all of those. Now a-days people want things that are going to be as simple as possible and when you make them learn a bunch of codes and abreviations just to get there things installed a lot of people will give up or just say that its not worth the time when you have a choice, and lets face it there are a lot of choices out there.
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2008-06-23
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Now a dayz, peeple bee dum. verry dum, we needz dum stuffs to makes our lifez simmples. Weendowz bees simples, soze i kin send my's moneez to Nigerian email scammers. Linuxz bees hards - 2 many wordz i has to typez. me likey spendz $200 for widowz upgrade that dusnt work too well.. makez me feels smart and axxcepted. me likey comfortz of internetz and e-z application installz of windows along wif spywarez and trojanz.
I like turtles FTW!
I like turtles FTW!
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2008-06-23
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Okay, am I to take it there is no community for Ubuntu users who hate command lines?
Because if there isn't I might just set one up.
I haven't used "start - run" for about ten years and I doubt most people ever use it.
The last time I did use it was when a tech support person asked me to, otherwise it would never have occured to me to use a text-based command in an icon-driven interface.
The problem with text based commands is that you have to know what all the commands and options are off by heart before you use it, unless you want to keep typing "help" every time.
Icons and menus mean you don't have to have any prior knowledge, all your options are presented to you. That's why they're much easier to use.
That's also why they're called "menus", they tell you everything that's available just like a restaurant menu. Would YOU want to go to a restaurant where you have to know all the dishes off by heart if you want to order?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HSQeMBzHR0o
Last edited by krisse; 2008-06-23 at 17:25.
Because if there isn't I might just set one up.
Originally Posted by Picklesworth
I'm sorry but I just do not think that's true.
Food for thought: Start -> Run in Windows is just like a command line, except with less power and no output. People use it all the time
I haven't used "start - run" for about ten years and I doubt most people ever use it.
The last time I did use it was when a tech support person asked me to, otherwise it would never have occured to me to use a text-based command in an icon-driven interface.
The problem with text based commands is that you have to know what all the commands and options are off by heart before you use it, unless you want to keep typing "help" every time.
Icons and menus mean you don't have to have any prior knowledge, all your options are presented to you. That's why they're much easier to use.
That's also why they're called "menus", they tell you everything that's available just like a restaurant menu. Would YOU want to go to a restaurant where you have to know all the dishes off by heart if you want to order?
Originally Posted by joepagiii
They're all amateurs compared to this lot:
i just love it whene people one up each other...or atleast try....
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HSQeMBzHR0o
Last edited by krisse; 2008-06-23 at 17:25.
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2008-06-23
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Originally Posted by matthewcb4
Until computers can understand normal human language, a command line interface will be the most efficient way to accomplish many tasks.
The command lines are something of the past ...
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2008-06-23
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Originally Posted by krisse
i have to agree...and ill help....if you need it...pm me..if you think youll need it
Okay, am I to take it there is no community for Ubuntu users who hate command lines?
Because if there isn't I might just set one up.
I'm sorry but I just do not think that's true.
I haven't used "start - run" for about ten years and I doubt most people ever use it.
The last time I did use it was when a tech support person asked me to, otherwise it would never have occured to me to use a text-based command in an icon-driven interface.
The problem with text based commands is that you have to know what the commands are off by heart, unless you want to keep typing "help" every time you use it. Icons and menus mean you don't have to have any prior knowledge, all your options are presented to you.
That's why they're called "menus", they tell you everything that's available just like a restaurant menu.
They're all amateurs compared to this lot:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HSQeMBzHR0o
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2008-06-23
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Originally Posted by ace
You are living on another planet if you think ordinary people find command lines easier to use than a row of icons.
Until computers can understand normal human language, a command line interface will be the most efficient way to accomplish many tasks.
Command lines are the most efficient way IF YOU KNOW WHAT COMMANDS TO ENTER, but 99% of the world does not know, and does not want to bother learning either.
The reason people don't want to learn isn't because they're lazy, it's because they have other things to do in their life. They simply don't have the time or the interest to learn commands off by heart. Computers are not their hobby, they're not interested in computers beyond simply being useful tools. They don't want advanced functions, they just want to visit youtube or pick up some e-mail, tasks which clearly don't require a command line.
In the real world people would rather sacrifice a bit of efficiency for the sake of ease of use, because if something is really easy to use you don't have to waste time learning how to use it.
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