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#31
Originally Posted by qgil View Post
To be precise, Nokia research engineers have ported most of the Ubuntu release (now including Universe) to ARM and it runs on the N800. See http://mojo.handhelds.org/

I have no idea whether they have tried to port the Ubuntu Mobile variant, but you could ask them.

A probably interesting exercise would be to compare the packages that make i.e. Maemo 4.1 and Ubuntu Mobile 8.04. See the commonalities, see the differences. I remember the Maemo SW engineer Eero Tamminen writing a very useful comparison between Debian, Ubuntu and Maemo but sadly I can't find it now.

btw, above there were links about Java missing probably the most important one: http://www.jalimo.org

PS: Recommending hardware selection and changes is just too easy when you are not the one doing the investment and being responsible of the choice. More here and here.

As long as your answering questions. Do you think there will ever be a supported environment without matchbox.

It would be nice to have a window manager beside matchbox supported by the maemo/nokia team.

Am I just dreaming
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#32
Surely, though, PB, you could whip up a kubuntu copy? (a kde deb for ubuntu)

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#33
Er... do you mind being more precise and just ask your real question at https://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia ?
 

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#34
Originally Posted by Modulok View Post
Is there an official statement from Nokia anywhere or are you just guessing? Secondly they can choose the chips for their devices and they have chosen (if you are right) three times the wrong ones.
I also can guess. You got a cheap Nokia tablet with a developper code for porting a linux app to linux. Now you are a Nokia fan.

Your last impolite statement can only come from people who use their own picture as avatar .

Excuse me folks for this little sidebar here.

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Modulok, I am not a big fan of the Generals abrupt manner sometimes, but he is precise, to the point, and doesn't lower himself to personal attacks.

Your last statements in the above quoted post however, have nothing to do with the topic at hand and leave a lot to be desired by this gentle forum member.

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Er, pressure their big, important business partners so a few thousand Linux hackers can maybe have a slightly more open device? Yeah, nice thought, but Nokia lives in reality.
Interestingly, as it turns out, Nokia actually did pressure TI and others on these points, but they, evidently, didn't get very far.*

*Well, I guess you could make a good case for the fruits showing with OMAP3 (as it's much more open than OMAP2), but it doesn't seem to have panned out for OMAP2

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#36
Hi,

You asked (a few posts ago) about why ubuntu versus maemo (for example) and that's a trivial answer. As a developer maemo sucks. None of the examples compile or run, the documentation is pitiful, the tools are awful, and you don't support java.

Designing for ubuntu is 100x easier.

Haven't you noticed how there's no groundswell of maemo apps even though there's a reasonably-sized user community? I tried and gave up and I've written apps for lots of other stuff easily.

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Originally Posted by MarkZ View Post
Hi,

You asked (a few posts ago) about why ubuntu versus maemo (for example) and that's a trivial answer. As a developer maemo sucks. None of the examples compile or run, the documentation is pitiful, the tools are awful, and you don't support java.

Designing for ubuntu is 100x easier.

Haven't you noticed how there's no groundswell of maemo apps even though there's a reasonably-sized user community? I tried and gave up and I've written apps for lots of other stuff easily.

Mark
We are waiting for your ideas of how to improve the documentation, the tools, etc.

It's very easy to say 'maemo sucks', but it's more difficult to say why and how to improve that situation.
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#38
Originally Posted by MarkZ View Post
Designing for ubuntu is 100x easier.
But making Ubuntu fit in your pocket is not. This is the core mission Maemo accomplishes, and the pocket size is what brings most of the complexity i.e. ARM instead of the x86 architecture.

btw, there have been improvements in Maemo documentation

http://maemo.org/development/documen...tart-guide.pdf

http://maemo.org/maemo_release_docum...on/maemo4.1.x/

About the tools, things are also improving

https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-sdk/

https://garage.maemo.org/projects/esbox/

Buggy examples, where are they? Please file or point to the bug and we will fix it. Thank you!

Java: what you wanted to do that JaLiMo wouldn't support? The guys want to know.

Applications, sure there are more on top of x86. Can you please help by triaging those that are missing in Maemo that would make perfect sense in a device like the N810? Thanks again.
 

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#39
Lets not bicker about who killed who now tell me how i can get ubuntu on my n810 and then continue
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#40
Originally Posted by MerkurAlex View Post
Lets not bicker about who killed who now tell me how i can get ubuntu on my n810 and then continue
If you're looking for full-on Linux, why not just install Debian? :\
 
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