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Bundyo: I don't think Cortex is Dual Core? It has two execution pipelines, so that it can process two instructions per clock cycle. It doesn't make it dual core...

EDIT: More info:
http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM_Cortex-A8.html
http://www.arm.com/rximages/10541.gif

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Originally Posted by luca View Post
Then why those same carriers should offer affordable data rates to use with such modem?
If they do, I bet they will ban voip, both in their TOS and by heavily filtering the service.
Right, they sell something they don't want you to use. And, for what reason?

I bet they will get sued sooner or later. It is ******** to limit what kind of device a user is using. FUPs are also ********, and so is 'X times the average user uses' because they are vague contracts. Just state the user is allowed to burn X GB, or unlimited. Simple and clear.

If they heavily filter they abuse their power, possibly net neutrality, and perhaps even unfair competition. In any case you can then use SSH/VPN/IPsec + SIP or HTTPS + SIP (yes, this exists).

If you use T-Mobile NL's unlimited data plan you can e.g. use 10 GB and they'll contact you about it, but won't terminate the contract, even if you do this regularly (I know someone who does this).

I read 3G has a round-trip of 150 ms. Might be too much for some people.

EDIT: If you're a lot outside of the country which your 3G contract covers consider to buy a (temporary) subscription to e.g. iPASS. This has the potention to lower your variable fees a lot. Especially useful if you're self-employed and travel a lot.
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I stand corrected...

This part got me thinking:

JazelleŽ RCT (Runtime Compilation Target) technology for efficient support of ahead-of-time and just-in-time compilation of Java and other bytecode languages.
Now imagine Mozilla's new JIT JS compiler accelerated with that...
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Ok, I just read through 21 pages and not one mention of the thing that bothers me the most. Not that they're thinking of including a cellular radio, but the FLAVOR. Why HSPA (which I don't have in my area)? Why not EVDO (which I do)? Was the reasoning behind that choice mentioned at all?
 
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Originally Posted by Gelcube View Post
Ok, I just read through 21 pages and not one mention of the thing that bothers me the most. Not that they're thinking of including a cellular radio, but the FLAVOR. Why HSPA (which I don't have in my area)? Why not EVDO (which I do)? Was the reasoning behind that choice mentioned at all?
WTH is that?

Plausible answer: because most people do have HS*PA in their area. Its much better deployed than EVDO (and WiMAX).

Compare..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...vice_providers

..with..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...HSDPA_networks
..and..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...WiMAX_networks

(Latter is relevant for N810WE)

CDMA-EVDO networks had the early lead on performance, and Japanese providers were highly successful benchmarks for it. But lately this seems to be changing in favour of HSDPA as an increasing number of providers worldwide are adopting it. In Australia, Telstra announced that its CDMA-EVDO network would be replaced with a HSDPA network (since named NextG), offering high speed internet, mobile television and traditional telephony and video calling. Rogers Wireless deployed HSDPA system 850/1900 in Canada on April 1, 2007. Singapore is currently the only country boasting nationwide HSDPA
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Why not EVDO? Because CDMA is a dying standard. Because all of Europe, large parts of Asia and most Oceania countries use HSPA, but not EVDO. Without any data to back it up (too lazy for that right now to be honest), I'm sure that HSPA is accessible to at the very least ten times as many people as EVDO...

Also, Nokia has NO experience whatsoever with CDMA/EVDO, since they've left this market quite a while ago.

And CDMA also means that it is much harder to get network access without the carriers consent, since there is no such thing as a SIM card...

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Bah, I only care about what I can use, not what everyone ELSE can use. What matters that all of Singapore has HSPA access. I don't.

BUT, I get your meaning.

Still, it's something that I have to examine closely. I don't have all that much money to throw around on features I can't use, so to be a viable upgrade, Nokia will really have to come around to the same price point as the n810...preferably less.

EDIT: And while CDMA may be dying, it's not dying anytime soon. If the Verizon/Alltel merger goes through, they'll be the largest single cell carrier in the U.S.

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Originally Posted by tso View Post
sounds like skype to me...
BTW, you can buy credits to phone with Skype (and Gizmo, and ...) therefore you can reach other people who have a phone number. The standard is the old phone number system; not SIP. SIP is an open standard which builds upon it. So there is no vendor lock-in in the same sense as with IE4-7. The fact you can phone to other Skype users for free is pretty normal as there are then less data fees.

Your ISP pays a flat fee for the network you're using between you and them (or ISP owns the network), and local traffic between 2 users of same ISP doesn't cost anything more. You don't have to pay for the data on your LAN either, and on an IXP your ISP pays for the PoP which is not per volume but per its (max) speed (e.g. 10 gbit), and besides that a good ISP has good peering agreements (Comcast apparently doesn't have good peering agreements ).

This is also one of the reasons paying per MB should not be accepted by a customer. The 3G network is just connected to a backbone here and there (owned or rented by the ISP) which is then connected to a PoP probably at a IXP. If the 3G provider is also a DSL or cable provider they probably use this very network to transfer the data. No, what they are doing is getting back their high investment costs for 3G (ROI) which in essence is a logical and fair thing (early adopters get **** service, beta test, and pay twice ) but the way they do it is not fair. However, because other 3G providers have the very same problem, and the licensed spectrum only has X licensors there is not much competition. Asking customer to pay for an IP range (even /32) is another example or bullocks, and RIPE has declared this illegal, yet European ISPs continue to abuse a shady loop-hole!!

Using good ol' POTS or GSM however, isn't free as in beer in most parts of the word. Now that we use Internet for communication its time to use Internet for voice communication as well. That this requires 3G from a multi-national corporation who apply earlier said tactics is unfortunate, but for now unavoidable, yet we can use their data plans for voice communication via the Internet leading to flat fee (or flatter fee), and potentially cutting costs compared to GSM or POTS. With N810WE and N9xx* Nokia is contributing to the way the game will be played next years, and I believe we should welcome their effort. Read between the lines. Nokia is more on our side than on the side of the telcos, and it suits their business: selling good hardware and selling service not based on bandwidth infrastructure. By allowing us to cut costs on these dreaded variable fees we have more money to save. Well, unless you're a casual 3G user, or 3G data plans are very expensive...

Originally Posted by Gelcube View Post
Bah, I only care about what I can use, not what everyone ELSE can use. What matters that all of Singapore has HSPA access. I don't.
An OK basis to express yourself, but not a good basis for sympathy or empathy required for understanding other arguments, therefore not good for discussion.

However:

BUT, I get your meaning.
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EDIT: And while CDMA may be dying, it's not dying anytime soon. If the Verizon/Alltel merger goes through, they'll be the largest single cell carrier in the U.S.
It is being phased out, and 3G is much better covered. See the links in my previous post. If you compare to WiMAX (also a licensed spectrum), WiMAX is 1) on the rise 2) more 'small' network operators. To put an anology: the stock of WiMAX goes up, while CDMA goes down. WiMAX is good because it increases competition with other 3G providers, and because there is no upgrade path from older 3G to WiMAX, the big bold bad telcos aren't investing (much) in it yet because they already have 3G rolled out.

It appears to me that mostly Americans are unhappy with the HS*PA feature, but Americans will be able to use the N810WE, and probably earlier than the N900 is sold. The data plans for WiMAX will probably be attractive, especially compared to HS*PA. Like I said, WiMAX coverage is good for 3G price.

If you really want to use or keep using CDMA, and enough people do want this, then some corporation (e.g. Nokia) might start a product which supports this so this is potentially what your expression contributes to. But given above, I wouldn't count on this if I were you. If you really need CDMA now, better buy a phone and tether that with your NIT or other mobile device.
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
With WiMAX, you also buy a subscription.
You don't have to sign up for a long-term contract, if that is what you are getting at.
 
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You don't have to sign up for a long-term contract, if that is what you are getting at.
Yes, Xohm is PaYG.
 
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