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#41
Originally Posted by TA-t3 View Post
As tso mentioned, it's used for projectors too. Most types of office projectors I've seen recently have had S-video support. I could definitely have used S-video if the N800 had had that feature.
Amen to that. Then again, it was probably considered not closed source enough by Saint Jaaksi.
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post

One also has to remember Nokia comes from a different world; they're learning and changing.
No they're not. What they're trying to do, is highjack the OSS community for their own CSS needs and their profits. Screw 'em sideways with a clotheshanger...
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#43
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
What they're trying to do, is highjack the OSS community for their own CSS needs and their profits.
Who said free software must not be used to make profits?

It's not free as in "free beer", you know....
 
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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
Who said free software must not be used to make profits?

It's not free as in "free beer", you know....
I have no problem with making profit from software (although I am strongly opposed to the IP laws we have today, but that's another story). I am opposed to sneakily making profit from a community that is based on sharing.
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
I have no problem with making profit from software (although I am strongly opposed to the IP laws we have today, but that's another story). I am opposed to sneakily making profit from a community that is based on sharing.
Making profit from free software is way better than making profit from proprietary software. I don't see your point. Nokia's profit doesn't prevent anybody from sharing. Quite on the contrary: The money they invest (from their profits) help a lot of the community projects becoming even better.

Again, it's simply wrong to assume that everything that's free (or "open source" or whatever you call it) must not be used in a commercial context. Having the big companies use free software is a victory for the free software movement, not a defeat.
 

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#46
Originally Posted by danramos View Post
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Especially when we're talking about things like the wifi driver and media player source code and so on.
Yes, but we need to look at each case seperately.

I saw the presentation of the new WiFi driver and this makes some points about why this driver now exists, what the problems were to open source it, what drove the development, and so on.

For OGG, probably Nokia lawyers are saying "don't touch that with a 10 pole foot". This is where maemo.org and Extras repository kick in. I do wonder what Nokia's view about Dirac is (recently achieved 1.0 status).

The idea that we can't use the hardware to its potential is infuriating and no amount of 'we can't ship mp3 decoders or win32 codecs' explains that.
This is a reference to the DSP, right? There is a Garage project for OGG Vorbis.

Back to giving credit, at least I see that the wifi driver will finally been opened up--that's a BIG deal among other things Nokia has been doing right... but the statement made is still something of an ominous agitation to folks that want to be able to truly use the thing that they opened their wallets and vomited bills to purchase and it effects future purchases and brand.
..and finally we'll be able to use a newer kernel with all kind of neat features and fixes. I'm looking forward to CFS, PowerTOP, LatencyTOP, and so forth.

I believe the questions each individual has to ponder about: are these contributions good enough or is the learning curve good enough? Do I trust Nokia? Or will I instead opt for a Pandora? Do I wish wait for the 'N900'? Will I buy both Pandora and 'N900' (unlikely for most potential customers)? Do I need the new features of the 'N900'? Which ones? Are they worth it?

(Maybe there are more or better questions to ask. I'm not feeling inspired. )

The Trolltech acquisition makes a lot more sense in this light. Proprietary vendors will be able to deliver for Maemo, and it will run on platforms running Maemo no matter if its a NIT or NOT (No, Other Tablet). And Nokia gets their fair share.
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#47
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
No they're not. What they're trying to do, is highjack the OSS community for their own CSS needs and their profits. Screw 'em sideways with a clotheshanger...
not? You must be blind. Have you heard about several announcements made during the Maemo Summit?

Maybe you should get an official FSFE troll badge...
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#48
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
If anything, what's coming out of the Pandora community is the opposite of Nokia's wet dream. Closed-source contributions -- be they commercial or not -- are welcomed, as long as they play nice with the OSS mindset.
I hope so. I'd say "amen" to that mindset wherever it's coming from. It's not about hating closed-source altogether.. it's about giving the customer (me) what we (I) want. An open device, environment and tools to play with and develop and to promote open competition in general (closed or not). The device and the operating system should never be closed. The software I buy can be open or closed but shouldn't restrict my fair use rights. That's all I'm asking for. Seems that we'd had that before and lost it more and more as companies became more 'creative' and 'capable' of coming up with DRM and closing off tinkering interests.

Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
No they're not. What they're trying to do, is highjack the OSS community for their own CSS needs and their profits. Screw 'em sideways with a clotheshanger...
Yow.. okay. I'm not sure I'd go that far. I'm pretty happy that Nokia's delivered a pretty spiffy openISH architecture and that they've done SOME work to open inroads. I just feel that there's certainly cause for remaining suspicious of their intentions given some things they've said and done.

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Who said free software must not be used to make profits?

It's not free as in "free beer", you know....
Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
Making profit from free software is way better than making profit from proprietary software. I don't see your point. Nokia's profit doesn't prevent anybody from sharing. Quite on the contrary: The money they invest (from their profits) help a lot of the community projects becoming even better.

Again, it's simply wrong to assume that everything that's free (or "open source" or whatever you call it) must not be used in a commercial context. Having the big companies use free software is a victory for the free software movement, not a defeat.
People will pay for good work--whether it's a package software or donation or just support. I've donated to a few open source projects I particularly liked (in the maemo world, omweather and gpodder in particular) and my employer has purchased Collabnet licenses for support of Subversion.. an open-source and free (as in freedom AND beer) software. Free software certainly CAN and DOES make money--but it needs to be of good quality and maintained and the developers need to be willing to communicate with their community and/or customers. It's as I'd said earlier.. it's about COMPETITION in the market.. free software generally is just a MUCH better caliber of product (source code and binaries, open for vetting and enhancing) for a MUCH better price (free! or relatively cheap if you're not a developer or geek). In our company, we certainly TRUST the open-source product more than the closed for the obvious advantage of being.. OPEN SOURCE.
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#49
Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
not? You must be blind. Have you heard about several announcements made during the Maemo Summit?
Maybe you should get an official FSFE troll badge...
Anyway Karel is now indelibly stamped, as he was mentioned by name and in writing during one of the presentations in Berlin, so it's not as if he can pretend innocence now...
 
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Anyway Karel is now indelibly stamped, as he was mentioned by name and in writing during one of the presentations in Berlin, so it's not as if he can pretend innocence now...
WOOT! Congrats, Karel!
 
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