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2009-01-09
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Originally Posted by namtastic
I'm 100% with you. Although shiny new hardware always appeals to our monkey instincts, three devices in three years don't necessarily make you wish for a fourth in the fourth year : especially if you feel (or rather, just *know*) that none of the three has been brought to its full potential, not because of hardware limitations but for lack of software and maturation.
Not me... I'm more annoyed that there haven't been bigger and more substantial improvements in the OS updates. Just look at webkit-eal. Awesome, and yet it should have come from Nokia, IMHO. An OS update can really re-energize a platform (just look at iPhone 1.0 -> 2.0) but think back to OS2005->OS2006 on the 770 or OS2007->OS2008 on the N800 and ask yourself what was updated that totally made you look at the tablet in a new light? Home screen applets? Google Talk video chat that doesn't work with desktops? Yes, users make their own apps to fill those gaps, but they don't integrate tightly into the tablet's main user experience (e.g., what about putting Mplayer code *in* the Media Player so I can play .flv with a freakin' timeline?) and it makes us feel like we're the only ones trying to push it forward.
And why closing bugs as "Fixed in Fremantle" is so bloody frustrating.
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2009-01-09
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Addressing these as more than simple venting.
Why is it not suitable for these improvements to come from the community? Part of Nokia's goal with this platform is to foster a strong community, so when that community outpaces Nokia in certain areas, it smells to me like success, and not the failure so many people want to make it out to be.
Last edited by GeneralAntilles; 2009-01-09 at 20:16.
Originally Posted by namtastic
This is Google's fault, not Nokia's, not failing to implement their own protocol.
Google Talk video chat that doesn't work with desktops?
Originally Posted by namtastic
MPlayer isn't suitable for official support.
(e.g., what about putting Mplayer code *in* the Media Player so I can play .flv with a freakin' timeline?)
Why is it not suitable for these improvements to come from the community? Part of Nokia's goal with this platform is to foster a strong community, so when that community outpaces Nokia in certain areas, it smells to me like success, and not the failure so many people want to make it out to be.
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2009-01-09
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Originally Posted by ragnar
The rule of success is to anticipate or better, create the demand. Somehow Apple pulled that off. No reason other successful competitors could not have done likewise... especially those with a head start.
it wasn't really generally obvious that touch would rule.
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2009-01-09
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Originally Posted by qgil
Ooo... ouch. I mean.. going from OS2006 to OS2008 hasn't been awfully impressive. It's felt like incremental upgrades with only little changes here and there and a little better performance.. with some aggravating "features" thrown in (unlocked-down home applets, no more stylus vs finger menus, etc.) that probably would have been fine if they were OPTIONAL instead of forced on us, etc. As I've said elsewhere, "All new features are good features, as long as they're optional."
And don't get obsessed because you are going to be impressed by Fremantle and are going to be impressed by Harmattan as well.
About the devices to come with Maemo inside... trust Nokia. B) If you liked the progress 770 --> N800 --> N810 you are probably going to love what comes next.
More importantly, 770 to N800 DID impress me enough to make me go out and buy the N800.. it was a magnificent jump. Your marlet-speak works perfectly there. But N800 to N810 didn't impress me in the least.. and N810 to N810WE is woefully unimpressive.
Your market speak would make perfect sense in the 770 to N800 jump, but beyond that it loses a lot of its punch.
Originally Posted by luso
Thank you!
I am afraid that something similar can happen regarding the N900. when it comes out, a significant part of us moved to different platforms. It is cheaper to keep existing customers than to gain new ones.
I've been saying that over and over in many different ways and it relates in every element of the product from the hardware to the software to the customer support and warranties. I've had a very mixed experience with Nokia so far, lately leaning toward more negative in most respects. I would LIKE to feel more brand loyalty but it's difficult lately.
Originally Posted by Texrat
That's crazy talk! It can't be done! I want one too!
I demand a touch-enabled battery cover. Surely that's next!
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2009-01-09
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The hype, the platform, and the (proprietary & commercial) 3rd party developers. I believe there is a need/demand for smartphones cq. equivelant devices. The possibilities are endless, especially when data gets abstracted. Grab data from 2 shops. Compare products of price. Add cheapest to shop list. That type of automatisation would make your shopping wife very happy. Something like this simply grabs the data from a remote website serving HTML over HTTP. Yet, it is more user-friendly than said information in a browser. There are tons of examples like this one although they're usually proprietary.
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2009-01-09
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
It's hard to feel like Nokia's fostering a strong community when it bases the hardware and portions of the OS on closed-source or proprietary specs. It's gotten better, mind you, but the impairments along the way don't help moral. You still can't feel like you're entirely empowered or even OWN your own hardware when you have to fight to reverse engineer and hack away just to get better video playback or to get drivers and API's to do something you want with the hardware you paid good money to buy. From the wireless drivers to the DSP, at least Nokia fought to open them but might it not have been better to start off with an open hardware platform the way eee did? ...or maybe I'm just still a bit bitter from waiting so long for someone to just provide these things that were always there.
Why is it not suitable for these improvements to come from the community? Part of Nokia's goal with this platform is to foster a strong community, so when that community outpaces Nokia in certain areas, it smells to me like success, and not the failure so many people want to make it out to be.
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2009-01-09
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[QUOTE=ragnar;255916]
I wouldn't call it a good "phone" either; more of a media player wanna be. I got to play with a prototype for quite a while, and it's the only Nokia device in the last 5 years that I thought was levels ahead of its time and not so much merely evolutionary. But IMHO the 7710 did much better in the girlfriend test than the 770, and yet the NIT got picked up for another iteration and the 7710 did not. 
Well, after all, being innovative is all about not doing what is really generally obvious, isn't it? I've been left to conclude with a little evidence that it was the consolidation around S60 that was the cause. I'm very thankful that somehow, someway, it got picked up by what became Maemo. I can never follow the constant coming and goings of Nokia groups.
Well, 7710 was ... I tried using one as my phone for a weekend. I wouldn't call it a good phone. It was on many levels ahead of its time. But the same as I wouldn't call the Apple Newton a good PDA. They were advanced for their time period, but ... I would say that something is a good device if I can give it to my girlfriend and she would use it happily, and those devices would not pass her test.
Hindsight is 20/20, but at the time when Series 90 got merged with S60, it wasn't really generally obvious that touch would rule. PDA:s had had touch screens for a long time and they never really picked up. Then again, at the same time when this was happening the organisation behind Maemo was starting to function.
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2009-01-09
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Originally Posted by danramos
I think for a company like Nokia it's not easy to find out where to draw the line. Using closed-source parts Nokia developers can concentrate their work on other things. These closed parts can be replaced later ....
It's hard to feel like Nokia's fostering a strong community when it bases the hardware and portions of the OS on closed-source or proprietary specs.
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2009-01-09
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Originally Posted by chlettn
quick heads up warning here - I read the whole interview at that link and got a nasty little bit of malware browser-hijacker from it - proceed with caution!
Regarding that "step" discussion, and the future for the tablets in general, take a look at an Interview with Anssi Vanjoki:
http://www.mobile-review.com/article...anssi-en.shtml
The rest of the interview is also quite interesting and definitely worth a read.
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Wrong. My Newton keyboard has been used five times, because it was not easier. It's all user interface, baby. Nokia "introduced" a keyboard in the N810, because they know diddly squat about touchscreen user interfaces. Then again, neither does Job's Apple...
These days, everybody seems to think that a touchscreen UI is just a WIMP with an invisible mouse pointer. I blame the schools; kids just don't get an education anymore.
Watch out Nokia, Pandora's box has opened (sorta)...
I do love explaining cryptic sigs, but for the impatient: http://www.openpandora.org/