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2009-03-10 , 16:07
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#31
Originally Posted by sunnydips View Post
tbh i think the average internet user knows & doesn't care... i know my wifi secure but thats because i care. common sense has to tell them that if they can connect without password then others can too.
tbh it's not what you think that's important...it's what the law thinks.
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2009-03-10 , 16:13
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To get back to the original question, the idea that you can get a consistent and useable wifi connection while driving a vehicle (at ANY speed) is unrealistic. Legalities of attempting to do so aside.
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2009-03-10 , 16:19
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Originally Posted by deeteroderdas View Post
To get back to the original question, the idea that you can get a consistent and useable wifi connection while driving a vehicle (at ANY speed) is unrealistic. Legalities of attempting to do so aside.
Yup, my cousins and I tried that once lol. Driving on the beltway, by the time you connected you would disconnect.
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2009-03-10 , 16:23
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well is there some sort of alert system that could notify me that its discovered open wifi?
 
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2009-03-10 , 16:37
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Originally Posted by sunnydips View Post
well is there some sort of alert system that could notify me that its discovered open wifi?
As I said before, by the time you could do ANYTHING, you would be out of range.

Maybe, someday, when all home wifi access points implement this, you MIGHT be able to use wifi while driving. Don't bet on it, though.
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2009-03-10 , 17:17
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#36
that mesh network looks pretty cool but wouldnt alot more peope need to own wireless networks?
 
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2009-03-10 , 17:50
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Originally Posted by sondjata View Post
Well dick, see the post 26. And it's not just in the UK.
It was really tough to tell if you were serious after admitting you use open access points and then saying it's stealing. So you're contention is that someone who hops on to my open network is stealing because I haven't changed the SSID?

I said they stole. Difference.
And absolutely ridiculous. Stealing prevents someone else from using it and only makes sense when dealing with physical objects (ie your car example).

Had the person who sat in the open and running vehicle then drove off the vehicle it would be theft. That the vehicle is running and open does not make it any less so.
It's still a physical object, and your driving it prevents someone else (presumably the owner) from doing so as well.

A users open WIFI point is like an on and running vehicle. You are free to observe it but actual use of it without the owners permission constitutes theft.
No it isn't and no it doesn't. The only time someone has been prosecuted in the States for using open wifi is AFTER that person has been informed that they are not welcome to do so (for refusing to patronize the store who's hosting the wifi, for example). We have this nice concept here where someone is innocent until proven guilty. By virtue of the fact that I have an open wifi access point for anyone and everyone to use as they wish without fear of repercussion, any argument that someone doing so is somehow a criminal is completely false.
 
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2009-03-10 , 18:01
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
The courts would likely find in whoever owns the Wifi usually, but then again the court and laws themselves I rarely bother with (to easily are they bought in this day and age. I just follow what I believe is lawful and don't bother with what is unlawful and shouldn't be).
Only if the person connecting had been informed they were not welcome to do so. That's the point. If you're broadcasting HAM radio, anyone gets to listen in. If they have the equipment and license they can talk as well. If you're listening into an encrypted cell phone connection, that's completely different. Likewise, if a wifi access point is open and broadcasting its SSID, it can be assumed that it's ok to utilize it. If the ssid is hidden, mac address filtering applied, encryption used, the ssid changed to indicate casual use is not welcome, or a single person specifically told they are not welcome to it, then clearly violating those wishes is criminal.

Granted, oftentimes someone is running an open wifi access point without being aware it's open. Their lack of awareness CANNOT presuppose they wouldn't want to. Working for an ISP, I can tell you that it's not against our TOS to run an open wifi network...however the person footing the bill is responsible for the traffic on that network.
 
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2009-03-10 , 18:24
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sunnydips, I realize the idea is get rid of the cell contract. That said, the only way to do what you're wanting to do and not have a contract is to pay month-to-month on a mobile broadband plan and use a cradlepoint (the 300 has a built-in battery). Since you wouldn't be subsidizing the cost of the evdo usb adapter with a guaranteed contract, there would be the initial cost for both the cradle point and the modem. This is exactly the method I'll be using (my equipment shows up today).

And yes, my cradlepoint will be unsecured. :P
 
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2009-03-10 , 18:39
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Originally Posted by sunnydips View Post
that mesh network looks pretty cool but wouldnt alot more peope need to own wireless networks?
Hence me saying "Don't bet on it."
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