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Karel Jansens is offline Karel Jansens
2007-01-10 , 10:10
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#11
Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
The iPhone won't be available outside of the USA until the end of 2007.

It will cost a fortune.

It will be stable because you won't be able to do much with it - other than add a few custom widgets, what you see is what you get.

If you want an expensive compromised bling phone, wait a year and save for the iPhone. If you want something useful that works here and now, get the N800. And then get someone to buy the iPhone for you for Christmas - after all it's got Bluetooth so it can get your N800 onto the internet when you're out and about (albeit very slowly as the iPhone doesn't support 3G...)
Agreed.

Apple's cellphone appears to be nothing more than a regular smartphone, with a different operating system, a YACIP (Yet Another Cumbersome Input Paradigm), a mediocre screen and a high price.

Rather sad that the company that invented the Newton stoops down to this level. Even Microsoft could do better.
 
sevo is offline sevo
2007-01-10 , 11:59
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#12
Originally Posted by Luna View Post
That quote makes me think that the software library growth rate will approach singularity in mear nanoseconds.
AFAIK, there is not a single application (other than some bundled ones) which has any dependency on direct hardware support right now, and going by the fact that 2006 apps seem to work on the N800, the 2006/2007 transition broke neither core libraries nor the ABI.

With the N800 about, some applications will eventually appear whose memory footprint makes them useless on the 770, and a few will need hardware float, 3d or extended video codec support to acheive reasonable frame rates or be playable at all.

But all stuff that is not memory, CPU or hardware bound (that is, presumably everything except 3d games and extra formats for the video players) will run across platforms, at the very least after a simple compile run - just like pretty much every userland application can be compiled to run on arbitrary Linux distributions and computers across the last five years or so. The only application-breaking step in Maemo so far was the 2005/2006 transition, which broke the core libraries and ABI format - but another ABI breakage won't happen (seeing that there is no newer ABI for the platform), and any libraries could be backported by the community even if Nokia does not do it.

Sevo
 
daverod is offline daverod
2007-01-10 , 14:26
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Originally Posted by Chartreuse View Post
I've had the 770 for only a week. Along with it has been the endless frustruation of just trying to get some basic things like Mediastreamer or new themes to install -- the ones direct from Nokia's "certified" repository. I contacted their support only to be told these things are third-party and they won't support them.

I'm sure the support available to you right here is just as good, if not better ,than Nokia. Just ask.


Originally Posted by Chartreuse View Post
Considering that the N800 and iPhone have just been announced, what are your opinions on just returning the 770 and getting one of these others as an upgrade? Is Nokia abandoning the 770, or do you think we'll ever see an OS 2007 for it?

I did exactly that. I saw the N800 post on digg.com on Sunday, which happened to be the *last* day I could return my 770 for a refund. I hesitated, since it made feel slightly dirty to return it for no good reason. But I'm very happy to have done so now. It's a really nice upgrade.
 
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2007-01-10 , 14:42
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Originally Posted by tabletfan View Post
Get the iPhone because it will have better software support, the OS will be stable and it work like it is supposed to. The built-in support for google search and maps is really nice. Also, it will have better resale value.
Yeah, and get locked into Apple's media DRM. No thanks!
 
lauriek is offline lauriek
2007-01-10 , 16:15
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Originally Posted by tabletfan View Post
Get the iPhone because it will have better software support, the OS will be stable and it work like it is supposed to. The built-in support for google search and maps is really nice. Also, it will have better resale value.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

The iPhone will have a re-sale value of Sweet-Fsck-All.

It has a non-replaceable battery and you won't be able to sell it for 2 years as that's the contract it's going to be tied to. So in June 2009 after two years of use, the screen will likely be buggered, the battery will definitely be buggered, two new generations of iPhone will be available and your iPhone will not be worth the ebay fees it would cost to sell it!
 
Chartreuse is offline Chartreuse
2007-01-10 , 16:17
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#16
Thanks for all of the feedback! I admit that the 770 is quite impressive in screen and wifi capability. Plus I've had little problem with the packages that came from third parties compared with the ones direct from Nokia =)

Considering there may be a "restocking fee" on return, I'm still undecided. I was really looking for something to handle web browsing, streaming audo (daap especially), and the occasional vid. Also possibly with a calendar w/todo, but that can easily be handled via a web app on one of my desktop boxes.

If I can get some of the streaming media working this weekend, I will likely keep the 770. And then spend time brushing up on my Python =D
 
freeman is offline freeman
2007-01-11 , 07:37
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Originally Posted by wwward View Post
Yes.

If you can't return it, the 770 is a fine machine and you'll be pleased with the long list of applications available for it (and the list grows longer every month.)

- Bill
Not, if all the developers switches to n800.
 
freeman is offline freeman
2007-01-11 , 07:54
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Originally Posted by Chartreuse View Post
Thanks for all of the feedback! I admit that the 770 is quite impressive in screen and wifi capability. Plus I've had little problem with the packages that came from third parties compared with the ones direct from Nokia =)

Considering there may be a "restocking fee" on return, I'm still undecided. I was really looking for something to handle web browsing, streaming audo (daap especially), and the occasional vid. Also possibly with a calendar w/todo, but that can easily be handled via a web app on one of my desktop boxes.

If I can get some of the streaming media working this weekend, I will likely keep the 770. And then spend time brushing up on my Python =D
BTW, if your 770 got a WSOD, then you could send the 770 back to nokia, and get a refund. Then buy yourself a nice n800, after b1tching and whining for a month(according to nokia repair process for 770), then wait another month for the refund check to show up.
 
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