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2009-05-26 , 13:25
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Originally Posted by casper27 View Post
An accelerometer is an electromechanical device that will measure acceleration forces so I don't think it will have anything to do with the D-Pad. Hopefully the D-pad may be hidden under a secret panel activated by the in built fingerprint reader.
You obviously have never used a G1 or iPhone or a Wiimote.
It's not only about acceleration forces.
 

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2009-05-26 , 13:29
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Originally Posted by Matan View Post
3.5" screen - bad idea.
The new, smaller avatar size on Talk makes more sense now though, doesn't it? Reggie knew!
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But Quim-- you can't isolate that number vis-a-vis the poll. You have to look at percentages amongst the respondents.
But only if it's a meaningful sample size, and is an accurate representation of the larger population as a whole. Otherwise, it's just 60 anecdotal opinions, not a meaningful survey (in terms of capturing the desires of the market as a whole).

The fact that we're here makes us a self-selecting subset of not just the mobile market, but of the NIT market. We plainly do NOT include the NIT market subset that doesn't want to participate in web forums (I'm pretty sure I know one of them, maybe two), and the poll clearly doesn't include those members of the market that don't answer polls.

Are you really that sure that the market Nokia is aiming at with the new devices is accurately represented by the 60 people who answered the poll? Because, I'd really love to see that justification done in a rigorously scientific and statistically significant manner.

Odds are: we (the people on this forum) are not a statistically significant cross section of the market Nokia is after. Which would mean the poll is a biased subset of the market, not a cross section of the market ... and thus looking at its answers as a percentage of the respondents is not a meaningful representation of desires/opinions of the market as a whole.
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt View Post
Who is to say that Nokia hasn't? Who among us knows the metrics Nokia has used to determine which features to include?
Okay, you had to ask.

Answer: I do (as well as ragnar, quim, and Peter).

I will say that while i worked there I was unsatisfied with the exploration done by *some* product groups. And within Nokia there is a general sense of "we don't care what the consumer is asking for, we're giving them this"... especially where the US was concerned. That attitude led to many fiascos and was one contributing factor in Nokia's decline of US market share (there were others of equal footing though).

Now, I will also say that the consumer doesn't always know what they want. I believe this is the case regarding the internet tablet form factor. I have personally witnessed numerous instances of people exhibiting skepticism when initially faced with the N800 brick and then being won over by its capabilities (and subsequently disappointed by Youtube performance...).

One thing customers DO tend to know, however, is what they don't want. If they've had a bad experience they're not likely to repeat it. That's an area in which Nokia still needs significant improvement... although I can say the ratio of winners-to-turkeys in the product portfolio is much better than it was 3 years ago.
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Ragnar, it almost seems like we're saying the same thing. Nokia has more phone offerings than most women have shoes. So, why not just add a keyboardless one to the mix? How can you go wrong?
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But only if it's a meaningful sample size, and is an accurate representation of the larger population as a whole. Otherwise, it's just 60 anecdotal opinions, not a meaningful survey (in terms of capturing the desires of the market as a whole).
No. What you say is true with regards to official metrics analysis but not in the context of this discussion. Quim isolated the 60 and placed it into a context even more meaningless than using the poll sample as representative. That was my point.

EDIT: lol... I see johnkzin accumulating some Thanks on that post so maybe I need to explain better.

Forget serious statistical analysis. My point had NOTHING to do with that guys (as a quality analyst I would have been strung up for thinking that poll was scientific).

My point was about removing a number from its contextual confines and juxtaposing it against a number that rendered it meaningless. Keep the 60 within the poll and, while it's not scientific by any means, it offers perspective nonetheless. Pull it out and toss it into an unrelated dataset, and that perspective is utterly lost.

Now-- where's MY thanks?
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt View Post
There are many other threads that indicate the opposite. Right?
Yes, definitely. If there's one thing I can say about my 2.5 years here, it's that there are easily several divisive issues, with fairly even distribution across each one.

WWAN or Not
Phone or Not
DPad or Not
DPad on the face, or Not
Physical vs Virtual Keyboard
Stylus vs Finger

and I'm sure other people could easily add several more to the list.
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Is this all just a bad late April fools day joke?

Are they trying to drive people to Pandora? Making the screen smaller is a horrible mistake and I hope this is all a joke in poor taste.

And all supposed references to TMO, I thought that was Talk. Maemo. Org, at least I have been seeing this alot here.

To all those that like the Iphone, go buy one. To all those that want a Linux experience, Pandora is looking more and more like the way to go. Where exactly would that leave Nokia?
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Originally Posted by fms View Post
I do not see much disagreement on dpad or bigger screen size in this forum. There are a few people who say they can live without these features, but nobody is saying "no, we do not need these, throw them away". Previously, I did not see much disagreement on having GSM or GPS in the device, even although a few people said they can live without these features. So, generally, there is no much controversy on what forum posters want.
Take a read of 'What would you realistically like to see in the N900' and let me know if we are unified in our wants.


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You can provide any number of arbitrary arguments justifying certain behavior of certain forum members. I doubt that you can argue against the fact that having a smaller screen, for example, makes book reading, map navigation, web browsing, and video watching less enjoyable.
I can't argue this, you are right. However...

As a user of a somewhat frequent user of an ipod touch (which has a smaller screen), I can certainly state from experience that it does not make these activities less enjoyable for me.

In fact I intuit that the smaller screen has given rise to an interface appropriate for its dimensions, making my experience with it quite pleasurable.


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You are not the researcher here. You are supposed to be the source of data for a researcher. Sadly, Nokia researches seem to be looking elsewhere (other Nokia devices? competitors' devices? who knows).
Sadly? What do you think would happen to this device if Nokia researchers didn't look elsewhere?


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Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
Well yes, you know the Nokia product segmentation just as well as I do. By "potential customers" I did mean the potential targeted segment, not the entire population. Sorry if that was unclear.

But I hope you also know the percentage of sales that any device sells outside the targeted market segment.
I do know it can be (and has been) significant. I also know the N800 caught Nokia by surprise.
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