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Just to comment on experimenting the new smaller screen size on N8x0 using windowed mode... that is not exactly correct, since you do lose lots of pixels/resolution... What you should do is to use the N8x0 in full screen mode, just like before, but place the device 1.2x distance further from your eyes that you usually do. Then you'll still be looking same amount of pixels, but looking like you do have them on a 3.5" screen.
(In fact I was surprised that the difference is only 1.2x... Gotta try this when I get home...)
(In fact I was surprised that the difference is only 1.2x... Gotta try this when I get home...)
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Originally Posted by fms
Got it. You hate it. Any others willing to try it for a day?
Tried that. FBReader just feels too small. MicroB/Tear usable but I am constantly tempted to switch to full screen. Maemo Mapper feels like I am looking at it through a keyhole.
So, what was the purpose of this experiment? Were you trying to prove that smaller screen is "still ok" or what? Because the miracle you expected has not happened: all the use cases described before in this thread felt constrained and less comfortable.
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Originally Posted by magog
I keep seeing this reference, and scratching my head. I can't imagine a need for a dpad in an xterm... I think it's the one app that doesn't need the dpad at all. That's what hjkl are for :-)
I'll even sacrifice the DPad if I can have arrow keys.
If there are no arrows or DPad, I'll probably pass. A Linux device isn't all that useful to me without a functioning XTerm.
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Originally Posted by Architengi
Working my way thru this post after a break for the holiday and this I see... interesting. Thinking about it from a functional end, this would seem to be an answer to that question of "what kind of netbook would nokia make" that came up some time back.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/10484...chscreens.html
Nokia(NOK Quote) has finally embraced the touchscreen movement.
The Finnish phone titan has plans to introduce three devices that feature big touchscreens and so-called Qwerty keypads, according to industry sources, say analysts.
One of the new models to be rolled out has a 4.2-inch touchscreen and a "hidden slide-out keyboard," and is considered a mobile Internet device or tablet. The device is targeted for introduction in the fourth quarter before Christmas.
TheStreet.com
Lots of puzzle pieces here, and dang near a complete picture if one looks.
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Originally Posted by fms
Neither of these browsers easily allows one to zoom in or out to read text in optimal size. Nor does the hardware have an accelerometer to switch to landscape mode. N900 will do the latter, and if I were to bet I'd put my money on the former as well (as will Palm Pre and G2). Did you ever notice all those people who'd like to e-mail in landscape mode instead of portrait mode on a certain device from a Nokia competitor?
Tried that. FBReader just feels too small. MicroB/Tear usable but I am constantly tempted to switch to full screen.
So, what was the purpose of this experiment? Were you trying to prove that smaller screen is "still ok" or what? Because the miracle you expected has not happened: all the use cases described before in this thread felt constrained and less comfortable.
The question is not if it is less comfortable for you. We know you value the screen size. The question is if it is acceptable for potential customers, for which percentage of potential customers it is not acceptable, and whether that percentage qualifies for an other product which fullfills their need (an add-on product or a stand-alone product). That is the question for Nokia or anyone else has to make. And they're commercial decisions in almost all cases. We're not all multi-million philantropists like Sean Moss-Pultz. So if we go back to reality 101 the screen size of devices didn't stop people from buying an iPhone or G1 whereas stability and lack of 3G were serious issues in OpenMoko. Stability of 3G in iPhone was also a concern for early adopters; at least here in my country, and TMO was partly to blame for that.
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
Hehe. In Bash there are shortcuts like ctrl+r (search through command history while you type) or ctrl+a (akin to home). You just need to learn them and then you won't miss the keypad.
I keep seeing this reference, and scratching my head. I can't imagine a need for a dpad in an xterm... I think it's the one app that doesn't need the dpad at all. That's what hjkl are for :-)
Originally Posted by ARJWright
Keep in mind no OS is mentioned. These products might as well include S60 platform. S60 also supports touchscreens nowadays.
Working my way thru this post after a break for the holiday and this I see... interesting. Thinking about it from a functional end, this would seem to be an answer to that question of "what kind of netbook would nokia make" that came up some time back.
Lots of puzzle pieces here, and dang near a complete picture if one looks.
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Originally Posted by magog
I used to run everything full-screen. Then I realized how much time and CPU I was wasting making things redraw twice every time I wanted to get at something in the statusbar, and stopped. I go fullscreen if I'm going to be spending a while where the extra space is useful -- note-taking, PDF reading, and heavy browsing. For other things, or when I'm only spending a couple minutes in one of those, I don't bother.
Yeah, I buy that argument. I actually use most apps in windowed mode.
If there are no arrows or DPad, I'll probably pass. A Linux device isn't all that useful to me without a functioning XTerm.
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The year was 1996. Maybe '97. I had to tell the roadrunner web master what a WML mime type was so I could talk to my WiFi connected internet laptap that was sitting on my kitchen table. I was doing dynamic DNS before it was invented. Through said laptop, I was proxying to the internet from my cell phone 12+ years ago. My unlimited Sprint data plan was $5/month. I get convergence, it's just far down on my list 'cause it still comes at a ridiculous premiuim of money, contracts and power consumption. In the meantime, I'll take an excellent WiFi client at a reasonable price.
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Funny - that reminds me of the early Mac a friend of mine had in university. It didn't have arrow keys. Looking up "cursor" in the manual referred you to the fine mouse. Word processing was a huge pain on that machine.
What if you could use gestures to function as replacement for keys/dpad?
I'm a big fan of gestures, but I don't think they work well to replace arrow keys.
First of all, you'd have to have gestures for all of the modified cursor keys. Shift+arrow to select. Ctrl+arrow for moving word by word. You could implement this by allowing (e.g.) shift+gesture, but this will probably be awkward on the bus. So you probably need more than just four directional gestures.
Secondly, the gestures would have to be able to handle key repeats. For instance: keep your finger on the screen after the "cursor left" gesture and the cursor keeps moving left until you remove your finger.
If you overshoot, or if your gesture is misinterpreted, you now have to correct for the effect of the wrong gesture in addition to re-doing the original gesture. It's like typing in ssh over a slow connection.
If your position is off by only three or four characters, you have the choice performing a single cursor movement gesture three or four times, or using a repeat gesture and risking overshooting your target (probably by three or four characters again).
That's a lot of physical hand movement as well. I imagine it won't be comfortable.
Plus you have to keep moving your hands to and from the keyboard.
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Talk about downward pressure on MSRP.
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If Nokia is in fact watching this board and we can somehow influence design and marketing decisions with our posts then it seems that we are really just validating some of their recent moves.
Apparently they can just charge whatever they want for a device, no one cares.
Knowing the US cell phone market some I know that unless you are Steve Jobs, the carrier usually has the final word on a device's "as shipped" specifications.
Some of the service providers own people have plenty of colored charts with circles and arrows accompanied by pages of statistics that correlate to what a typical customer from the targeted market prefers. This is what they start the bidding with and 9 times out of 10 that is the final product they end up with.
Jobs changed that when he walked in and showed them something that their current products couldn't do and he had his own dang charts with statistics of actual user experience with this new device. The in house people were caught with their charts down because their typical customer had no clue that a cell phone could do the things an iPhone could.
This was a one time deal though because Jobs didn't show the Cell phone providers anything that they thought couldn't be done. He just showed them customers who were enthusiastic about doing it.
Now the in house chart wranglers have something for a typical customer to compare to and believe me they now have plenty of new statistics.
About the only value a community like ours has in these negotiations is in our overall numbers somehow coorelated to user enthusiasm. That is all, (IMHO)
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BTW, this is not my attempt to hi-jack a thread or change the topic to Apple, Stevie Wonder, or the iPhone.
The above is just how I based my opinion that the most important spec at this point is price and the amount of new subscribers this phone generates for a service provider may be the biggest influence on Nokia decisions about future Maemo 5 devices.