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#31
These are the toys of Till (OSM2Go) and Kees (pictured, Council member). Nothing to do with the Fremantle developer units brought by Nokia to help Danish Weekend developers get their software in better shape.

The picture is mine and I wasthe one asking people not to take pictures. The only reason for that was to avoid those pictures flying through the blogosphere out of context and being finally sentenced as the NEXT MAEMO DEVICE LEAKED BLA BLU BLI. The evnt had free entrance and the room where the units could be used had an open door as well. All what developers had to do to use the units was to put the name on a piece of paper (white paper just for the record, not any NDA).

This is quite unprecedented but we thought the Maemo and Mozilla communities are trustable and worth experimenting with. About why not using them more widely, one of the reasons is that they are quite expensive to produce and they are primarily targeted to the developers paid full time to have the software ready, better yesterday than next week. I'm happy we could borrow them for the weekend.
 

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Originally Posted by Justjoe View Post
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how was the d-pad (or lack thereof) handled?

Thanks,

Joe.
I second this query.

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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Really, though, there'd be little advantage to underclocking (and potentially a bit of disadvantage) with race-to-idle and all that.
Well, there are also voltages and thermal management to consider, plus whatever peculiarities the OMAP3 DSP clock brings into the equation this time.

Speaking of power management, Igor had previously hinted at some sort of power monitor - was there any mention of that? The Symbian folks have had that for a while now...
 
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So how about my questions about the keyboard ? :-)
 
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Originally Posted by fpp View Post
Sort like on the E71 ? How many rows of keys ? Was there a TAB key ?...:-)
Honestly don't remember how many rows

I think it was 4 - it was laid out as a straight grid though.
There were 2 shifted symbols per key, green and purple and these were used eg for \ and / pretty clear too.

There was a soft tab key on the screen that was pretty easy to use in the shell - clearly the symbol set wasn't designed with code hacking in mind.

Gossip over the weekend said that different locales would have different symbols on the screen - and not all would support 'arrows' - US developers beware!

The keys were nice to use and I found I could type quite quickly on them (and I'm an N800 owner who doesn't use tiny keyboards so not experienced with them). Overall they fit very well into the 'engineered' feel.
 

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@qole.... I can assure you that nothing in that picture looks remotely like what we were given .... 'our' devices were (in my opinion) very close to things that could actually be sold.

Looking closely you could see a shiny smooth finish underneath - hardly any loose wires
 

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Originally Posted by qgil View Post
All what developers had to do to use the units was to put the name on a piece of paper (white paper just for the record, not any NDA).
And we trusted you too... no-one turned over the flip-chart to see what it said on the back
 

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#38
To be clear: there were essentially no restrictions on what we say.

Pretty much just "if you take photos or go around saying that you saw the finished article then we won't do this again".

So anything *anyone* from the weekend says is about the prototypes; and to my mind there's no point in producing a prototype if you're not going to use it to fine tune the finished product. So there *will* be changes.... and they may be significant.

There are clearly things that were not shown... like the task switcher.

Originally Posted by ARJWright View Post
Here's a question that is sigting on my mind a bit: did any of the devices have a form factor that do not look like currently announed or selling Nokia mobile devices? This is just a yes or no question; I'm quite aware that more that that is too much.
There was only one device...shown.
Did it not look like something else... err .... sorry.
I don't know the nokia range well enough.

Originally Posted by ARJWright View Post
Another question (if you want to get playful): you speak of not even noticng the screen size, which is obviously a shot towards recent comments. Can you go into some of the unique things that you noticed such as the polish of the UI or even if the software felt better tied to the hardware as you sed those devices?
Same here... and OK...

Originally Posted by ARJWright View Post
Lastly; did any devices have more than one camera?

see my next post

Originally Posted by ARJWright View Post
I've got an inkling on things. A small one. But I've got thoughts and Nokia just might have tipped their hand some.
Err, no
Make no mistake .... they tipped their hand a *lot*
It's called marketing

But more importantly for us it is also called being incredibly open.
 

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I have a question for anyone who played with those devices on the weekend.

Was there any feedback process (formal or informal) on either the hardware or the software back to Nokia/Maemo. And if so, can you give us a glimpse into what feedback was given?
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Let me explain the very basic and quite logical principles of this experiment:

If we can bring developer units to a developer event in order to allow developers to understand better new Maemo releases and test their software in better conditions... Great. If as a side effect those fortunate developers can bring some feedback to the community about certain hot and apparently troublesome topics... Well, fine.

Following this path we can improve our developer channel and, indirectly, our community channel.

If by doing so though these developers start being inquired about consumer relevant details, or they plainly start speculating about future products, pictures or 'photographic descriptions' start circulating, the IT blogs capture some of that, the buzz increases and the gadget noise-makers convert a developer exercise in some kind of 'leak' or 'soft launch' damaging the real marketing activities of whatever future products.... Then the owners of those developer units won't give again a permission for such experiment (and to start with we wouldn't even request it since we work hard for the success of our products and we wouldn't risk again).

As a community member and as a Maemo user I understand other community members and users have many questions. The answers you are looking for are not in these developer units nor have been shared with the participants of this developer event.
 

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