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Originally Posted by fms
Yes, exactly. Because the higher resolution screen would have smoother and more readable letters at the same size, or smaller and more letters at the same pixel count. Win, win.
At the same smallish screen size, it does compare to 800x480 in my eyes. I do not really care if letters in the book I am reading consist of more pixels, as long as they are smooth and readable.
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You have just said that it has the same screen size (diagonally), just more pixels. So I am not even sure why anyone would buy that HTC phone.
Originally Posted by fms
No, for a phone it has a huge screen. Huge. But with low resolution, which means grainer than your tablet. I have "defended" the 5800 elsewhere because i think it has an amazing value for money (compared to the N97 i.e.) but I would still much rather have the Diamond2. Hardware wise. Of course, the price reflects the difference.
5800 display is also "very popular", but nobody buys the display alone. If you look at these devices as a whole though, 5800 is a pretty nice, usable, cheap phone with a slim high-def screen. The screen is on the smallish side but it isn't too small for a phone.
Originally Posted by fms
If you compare it to phones instead of TVs or tablets, it's big. How many phones existed in 2006 with 3.2" screens? 3.2" is a big screen on a phone.
Sorry but I fail to see why 800x480 is such a big thing on a 3.2" screen. You do not see all these pixels anyway.
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3.2" is not a big screen. It basically renders the benefits of 800x480 resolution useless.
I have found that the N810 has a perfect width for reading eBooks. 800 pixels wide and actually about as wide as the page in a pocket book minus the margins. I have however read on a much smaller display and it is doable. The N900 has a display that is not much smaller.
When you manage to consider this as a phone and not a tablet, it follows that some think the N810 would be a very large phone. The Touch Pro2 also. I think the iPhone is chunky, really. Ultimately one would want a 6 inch display on a 3 inch phone. Second best would be a 3.5" display on a 3.6" phone. There is some room for shrinkage around the display on the N900 still. Or somewhat bigger screen on the same frame. And it's fairly thick by 2009 standards. But I think it will look good and feel good. I think it is a very interesting phone.
At a lower resolution I wouldn't even have bothered to log in here to share my opinion.
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Originally Posted by lardman
Numbers: If that is the real number, then I stand corrected and Nokia should start making their version of the 7" iPad ASAP or iPple will beat them to it.
I just read somewhere that analysts reckon they'll have shifted 1 million devices by the end of this year. No idea how that compares mind you.
/me wonders if the cases will be largely the same (not having paid much attention earlier), or do the leaked case dimensions differ too much?
Sizes: Excellent question, and someone (including me) wondered about the same before. Look here:
http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_com...-vs-Nokia-N900
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Originally Posted by volt
Theoretically, yes, but not in practice. First of all, you can't make letters smaller because they become unreradable, even if all pixels are in place. Secondly, when you make letters large enough to be readable by normal humans from a standard 30-50cm distance, they look pretty smooth in both 800x480 and 640x360 resolutions. Try it for yourself.
Because the higher resolution screen would have smoother and more readable letters at the same size, or smaller and more letters at the same pixel count. Win, win.
No, for a phone it has a huge screen. Huge. But with low resolution, which means grainer than your tablet.
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Originally Posted by fms
Oh, but of course. I do own one of these and use it every day. And I believe, with a hint of doubt, that the Diamond2 would be almost as good to read on without changing the font size. What would the size loss on each character be, about 25%?
Theoretically, yes, but not in practice. First of all, you can't make letters smaller because they become unreradable, even if all pixels are in place. Secondly, when you make letters large enough to be readable by normal humans from a standard 30-50cm distance, they look pretty smooth in both 800x480 and 640x360 resolutions. Try it for yourself.
My favorite chat page which I use on my N810 has smaller letters than the eBook reader. And I zoom that chat page down to 80% so I can see more letters. Every day. It's even a low contrast colour scheme on that page.
I would not be able to zoom down on the Diamond2, it would be too small and unreadable. But 20% smaller is still readable for me. And the N900 will be larger than the Diamond2. It will be better than acceptable, at least for me.
It will NOT be as good as a larger tablet. It WILL be better than most cell phones on the market. Including all of Nokias.
Edit: I am talking about the LCD here.
We don't know that the N900 is the N900 we think it is. The phone part have to be acceptably good, too. If this device isn't good enough when it comes to phone stuff, I don't know who they expect to buy it. :B
Edit II: As I said, I think this is going to line up as a top of the line smartphone. If so, the price will be high. I would think a £550++ price tag here. I know the price suggestion will be flat out provocative to most NIT owner, but again. If it's not ment to be a tablet you can't expect the pricing to be set at the tablet level either. It must be compared with what it is ment to compete with. Which would be high end phones.
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Hey guys...I can see how going from a 4 inch to 3.5 sucks for you..because you guys expected an internet tablet. But I am sure Nokia will release something similar in the future...but this model is aimed at a different group altogether.
I wanted to buy the N97 but due to the 'clunkiness' of Symbian, low processing power lack of kinetic scrolling etc and just a bad translation to touch, I chose not to buy it when I found out that the N900 could be released this summer. If not I'll wait coz internal HW wise and software its not shining for the N97...and I want something different optimized for touch...and thats how I ended up on this forum.
I think the N900 with Maemo will have all the smooth UI +excellent hardware...it'll be the future of N series while Symbian is down shifted as repeatedly told previously.
I think you guys should be very happy that its going mass market because it will mean that there will be accelerated development, more support, quicker updates, more choice of HW, many more applications...Nokia will gain the consumers that are put off by symbian and will want to jump on this band wagon because for them its NEW...and something different (as everyone initially EXPECTED...an interface that will wow and is fun), which is a huge change after years of Symbian in a phone.
I cant wait for the N900 esp after reading a forum where ppl in the know commented that there is something 'special' about the screen, and the recent leak was pretty much spot on.
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I wanted to buy the N97 but due to the 'clunkiness' of Symbian, low processing power lack of kinetic scrolling etc and just a bad translation to touch, I chose not to buy it when I found out that the N900 could be released this summer. If not I'll wait coz internal HW wise and software its not shining for the N97...and I want something different optimized for touch...and thats how I ended up on this forum.
I think the N900 with Maemo will have all the smooth UI +excellent hardware...it'll be the future of N series while Symbian is down shifted as repeatedly told previously.
I think you guys should be very happy that its going mass market because it will mean that there will be accelerated development, more support, quicker updates, more choice of HW, many more applications...Nokia will gain the consumers that are put off by symbian and will want to jump on this band wagon because for them its NEW...and something different (as everyone initially EXPECTED...an interface that will wow and is fun), which is a huge change after years of Symbian in a phone.
I cant wait for the N900 esp after reading a forum where ppl in the know commented that there is something 'special' about the screen, and the recent leak was pretty much spot on.
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i love the influx of people with the doublethink line that a smaller screen is better in all possible ways.
as someone else said, one of the big marketed pluses of the NITs was the nice big screen...
as someone else said, one of the big marketed pluses of the NITs was the nice big screen...
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Originally Posted by flareup
And if the N900 is a telephone ment to be sold as a telephone, one of the big marketed pluses of the N900 will be the nice big screen.
i love the influx of people with the doublethink line that a smaller screen is better in all possible ways.
as someone else said, one of the big marketed pluses of the NITs was the nice big screen...
For at tablet, this isn't a big screen, but for a telephone it IS. The first time one at my work place got an HTC Diamond HD, 3.8" screen, everyone were marvelling about the screen but thinking that it was a bit wide for a telephone.
I can't say I have seen anyone saying that a smaller screen is better in all possible ways.
*Edit: edit. :B
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Originally Posted by volt
IIRC the N stands for eNtertainment. It comes back in N-Gage too. Its just to differentiate from E-Series and those without a letter. All N-Series are smart/rich mobile/portable multimedia devices. Most are smartphones, most have GSM + 3G (whatever the latest evolutions are in this region), and most run Symbian; but not by definition. At least, not anymore. See also Wikipedia. You can see all kind of 'experiments' or specific goals (features) in Nokia devices. Such as NFC. These are outsiders too, yet not some new letter to add is made for their product name in the sense of Nokia T800 or something.
The N series is Nokias line of smartphones. The N770-810 should never have been Ns. They should have been Ts or something. The N900 is a N. It's a phone.
Originally Posted by YoDude
Imagemagick does wonders. The rational is also that you don't switch every month your resolution. You stick to something which works, and if you switch you have your reasons for that. Could be money related, or switching to defacto standard, or...
These pages are based on the device being WVGA (800 x 480). I would hate to have to go through and resize each one every time the OS is updated.
Originally Posted by geneven
There is no official statement from Nokia 'the tablets' are abandoned, and maemo.org is not owned or tied to Nokia or RX-51 or N900.
What bugs me is not just abandoning tablets; it is the combination of abandoning tablets AND the takeover of this forum by maemo.org at the same time.
Originally Posted by fms
This is why the chosen font is important. Again, is the default font optimal for that, or are there free/commercial/pirated fonts which would deliver a better experience?
At the same smallish screen size, it does compare to 800x480 in my eyes. I do not really care if letters in the book I am reading consist of more pixels, as long as they are smooth and readable.
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To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
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