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2009-07-21
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My Cobalt Qube 2 (SOHO server, 250 MHz MIPS processor) came with 16 MB of RAM, so 32 MB is still ok.
Ok its a model that's at least 10 years old....
Ok its a model that's at least 10 years old....
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2009-07-21
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from what i understand, that first one will be a dev platform more then any kind of end user product...
the specifics of the next ones will be based on input from the developers list, from what i can read on the page...
the specifics of the next ones will be based on input from the developers list, from what i can read on the page...
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2009-07-21
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Originally Posted by attila77
MIPS is going to feel unusably slow after a similarly clocked ARM. It is a severely antiquated architecture made by academics and connected to standard slow-clocked SDRAM. Just look at MIPS ABIs and weep.
* 360 MHz MIPS-compatible CPU
* display: 3.0” color TFT
* resolution: 320 x 240, 16.7M color
As a brain-child of some ex-OpenMoko folks. ... let's see where do they go from there (from what they say, the nanonote should be an ever-evolving iterative-style hardware platform, 6 months per release).
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2009-07-21
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Originally Posted by fms
Hm, latest generations (i.e. MIPS 74K) should be at least up to par with Cortex ARM-s performance wise, according to specs. I know from my MIPS hacker days that, ugly or not, it's not THAT slow (I had mpeg/wmv movie playback on a 131MHz VR4121). There is a slight difference in application too (as MIPSes can have FPU-s not just extensions a la NEON). In any case, this is much less an issue with an appliance like the Nanonote - you're not expected to run ubuntu remix and firefox on this one anyway, more like stuff you'd do on a GP32X, DS or a NSLU2 with a screen.
MIPS is going to feel unusably slow after a similarly clocked ARM. It is a severely antiquated architecture made by academics and connected to standard slow-clocked SDRAM. Just look at MIPS ABIs and weep.
They will go nowhere. I mean, they are ex-OpenMoko folks, do you seriously expect them to do better this time?
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2009-07-21
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Originally Posted by tso
Yes, I think it would actually be fair to say they ALL are dev platforms (these days I wouldn't call anything that ends in a linux prompt an end user product), with the specs incrementally improved based on response.
from what i understand, that first one will be a dev platform more then any kind of end user product...
the specifics of the next ones will be based on input from the developers list, from what i can read on the page...
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2009-07-21
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Originally Posted by attila77
big question then is how fast one can get a gui going on them
Yes, I think it would actually be fair to say they ALL are dev platforms (these days I wouldn't call anything that ends in a linux prompt an end user product), with the specs incrementally improved based on response.
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2009-07-21
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Lol. Seems (thus far) the specs are worse than old Linux mobile clamshell devices such as Sharp Zaurus SL C7x0/C8x0/C1000/C3x00 (at least 4 years old). Doubt this will be able to compete price/performance wise with a second hand Nokia N8x0 market. The only advantage is maybe fully documented hardware. But why mass produce these if they're only meant for developers?
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2009-07-21
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Well, the main point there is size, cost and availability. It is just over half the weight of a N810, smaller and should cost quite a bit less than N8x0-s (which are already on the verge of scarcity).
Lol. Seems (thus far) the specs are worse than old Linux mobile clamshell devices such as Sharp Zaurus SL C7x0/C8x0/C1000/C3x00 (at least 4 years old). Doubt this will be able to compete price/performance wise with a second hand Nokia N8x0 market.
The only advantage is maybe fully documented hardware. But why mass produce these if they're only meant for developers?
Also, they don't say how different the second iteration will be which should follow up shortly. Maybe it's just one of those 'these components can be had NOW', for others you have a lead time, and they say we're gonna have something better in 6 mo. anyway, so why not start with this and then as (similar form factor) components roll-in, just upgrade to more memory/higher clock.
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2009-07-21
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Originally Posted by tso
Considering the case of Gumstix, pretty quick. But don't think KDE or Gnome here, Hildonization, finger optimizations and whatnot. In most use-cases I could imagine it would be a single app started on boot doing fbdev...
big question then is how fast one can get a gui going on them
Technical Specifications:
* 336 MHz MIPS32-compatible CPU with SIMD (XBurst)
* display: 3.0” color TFT
* resolution: 320 x 240, 16.7M color
* dimension (mm): 99 x 75 x 17.5 (lid closed)
* weight: 126 g (incl. battery)
* DRAM: 32MB Synchronous DRAM
* headphone jack (3.5 mm)
* SDHC microSD (with SDIO support)
* 850mAh Li-ion battery
* 2GB NAND flash memory
* mini-USB: USB 2.0 High-Speed Device
* speaker and microphone
As a brain-child of some ex-OpenMoko folks. Obviously not a contender in the raw power segment, this should be small and dirt cheap, not really a jack of all trades like our NIT's but rather an appliance master/embedded DIY. My personal biggest gripe is with the 32MB RAM (but seriously ? especially on MIPS ?), let's see where do they go from there (from what they say, the nanonote should be an ever-evolving iterative-style hardware platform, 6 months per release).
EDIT: Corrected CPU info
Last edited by attila77; 2009-07-22 at 09:21.