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2009-08-26 , 21:10
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#71
Originally Posted by danramos View Post
It's easy to throw money to rent a bunch of rooms and proudly puff out your chest and claim it's proof that you're supporting the community. It's not so easy to actually support the community as proof.
Well, the request few posts above was at the end to put some money on developer discounts. So it's not that different.

But going to the real point, supporting the community is a top priority for Maemo. Then we need to agree on what does this mean in practice.

Please open a new thread (or bump any older if you prefer) to keep discussing this interesting topic.
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But going to the real point, supporting the community is a top priority for Maemo. Then we need to agree on what does this mean in practice.

Please open a new thread (or bump any older if you prefer) to keep discussing this interesting topic.
Not to be an attention whore, but seeing as how I'm constructing a summit presentation on this very topic, I'd really appreciate if people commenting/complaining/crying about this subject would do so in the thread(s) I've created for that purpose:


http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30847 (expectations)

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30644 (my presentation)

Or, this blog article as well if you prefer not to use this forum for whatever reason:

http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...ty-engagement/

Many thanks to all who have contributed so far.
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Originally Posted by qgil View Post
Well, the request few posts above was at the end to put some money on developer discounts. So it's not that different.

But going to the real point, supporting the community is a top priority for Maemo. Then we need to agree on what does this mean in practice.

Please open a new thread (or bump any older if you prefer) to keep discussing this interesting topic.
I think renting a bunch of rooms isn't equitable to providing developer discounts in the same way the poster intended it. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think the point was to make the device more accessible.. not the rooms.

Indeed, this IS an interesting topic. I think it's been resurrected several times, usually with the same several specific points of listening to consumers/community and that they want, openness and support (replacement hardware parts.. from stylus to kickstand to screen and so on). I think this thread about whether or not someone will buy the N900 might be just as appropriate as any to discuss it in the general, as it still seems relevant to the topic, but the specifics have already been stated many times even in the recent past. I'll leave it to you to see whether you've noticed them, as I'm sure you have.

Edit: I see Texrat made it easy to find several related topics. THANKS!
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Originally Posted by zerojay View Post
It's hard to stay motivated to develop for a piece of hardware you don't have in your hands. It's also FAR more difficult to debug... so.. yeah... it would be a problem.
This is the main reason I'm so excited about the n900, I really want to develop a really good openvpn client gui, and then an ldap addressbook plugin for modest.
So I'm looking forward to it, been many years since I have done any coding.
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I think renting a bunch of rooms isn't equitable to providing developer discounts in the same way the poster intended it. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think the point was to make the device more accessible.. not the rooms.
Sorry if I'm being too simplistic, but rooms and discounts both end up being a budget assigned to a cost center.

And yes, we are following and taking part or even the initiative in several discussions about improving the community involvement.

Mixing stylus, D-Pad, stand etc to the mix is more tricky since it's impossible to satisfy the whole community unless you can get an Escher-inspired design.

I don't quite see the link between a poll about buying a device and a discussion about community involvement, so I will stop it here.
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@christexaport If money were no object I'd buy at least one

@ texrat and others

I didn't intend it as a slap in the face. I certainly don't have enough disposable income to buy one immediately even if I wanted one.

I'm going on the assumption (as illustrated by the poll) there are people who will buy one immediately both inside this community (including some of those "core drivers") and out (I seem to see more new members posting every day). christexaport seems to suggest that at least in some other communities it will be welcomed and adopted. There have been a lot of posts about how we should expect an influx of new members once the n900 (hopefully) takes off. I assume that some of those people will be able to contribute substantially to the community in a variety of areas. A little new blood couldn't hurt could it? Some of those people may even become "core drivers". Surely in this open community we wouldn't get an "I've been here longer than you so my opinion counts more" attitude would we

I also assume that if a community member really believes in the community, they wouldn't leave if they can't contribute to the Fremantle portion would they? There is still a lot going on in the m8x0 portiom (Mer for instance). I assume that once they can afford a new device they would start contributing in the appropriate areas.

I apologize if I offended anyone, I didn't want to or mean to.
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I like as many controls as possible myself, and don't really like touch devices, to be honest, so I can feel wanting a dpad, but why specifically does the community need one on this mythical "N800 refresh"? I had the N97, and rarely used the Dpad or keypad, so I don't see what the deal is.
 
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Edit: I see Texrat made it easy to find several related topics. THANKS!
Sure, and I am really challenging people to step up. I see sooo many vague complaints scattered around the forum about Maemo/community engagement. If people just want to vent, that's one thing-- but if they want improvement, then offer solutions in my threads and their concerns stand a very good chance of making it into my presentation.

But time is wasting...
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I also assume that if a community member really believes in the community, they wouldn't leave if they can't contribute to the Fremantle portion would they? There is still a lot going on in the m8x0 portiom (Mer for instance). I assume that once they can afford a new device they would start contributing in the appropriate areas.
Apology accepted. I admit my employment situation over the past year has made me hypersensitive to remarks like that, and I should have known you meant no disrespect.

And nobody knows the occasionaly need for repurposing better than I. I've gone from one of the first Nokia tablet insiders to try to bridge the corporate-to-community gap to a nobody who knows nothing... that's been an adjustment. So, yeah, it doesn't have to be all about coding... there are other fish to fry.
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I like as many controls as possible myself, and don't really like touch devices, to be honest, so I can feel wanting a dpad, but why specifically does the community need one on this mythical "N800 refresh"? I had the N97, and rarely used the Dpad or keypad, so I don't see what the deal is.
There are numerous valid reasons. Mine had to do with touchscreen wear. I'd rather relieve the touchscreen of heavy usage that D-pads endure (such as intense gaming).
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