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2009-09-18
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Originally Posted by zehjotkah
That sounds interesting. I'll have to look into it when I get the N900. I thought it was too sensitive when I tried it out.
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2009-09-18
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Originally Posted by livefreeordie
Agreed. With resistive I can use Xournal and annotate and edit my legal opinions when away from my desk. This is a very key feature for my business use. Fuerther, I am sure there are a hundred other good reasons not to forsake using a highly sensitive resistive screen.
Why don't you EVER want to use a stylus? This desire to remove features just because they're unfashionable or something is ridiculous.
Just as one example, I'm pretty sure I'll be installing dosbox and some classic games as soon as possible. Many would be impossible to play if you obscure the action with your thumb, and the limited accuracy would be equally painful.
No one is forcing anyone to use the stylus for everyday tasks - the UI will be quite up to handling your finger. Not to mention that some of us actually prefer to use our nails. To me, my 5800 is much more pleasant to use than a capacitive screen.
So stop trying to badmouth our choice of tech. We don't want Nokia to cease using it just because it's "uncool" and gets them too much bad press to be worth it. That Engadget ***** is a complete ***.
Edit: imho the ideal solution would be a next gen resistive screen that the user can set from super sensitive to very insensitive. That way everyone could choose for themselves.
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2009-09-18
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#93
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Originally Posted by zehjotkah
I didn't know it did THAT ?
You can do something like that a little bit on the n810: while screen-calibrating press very soft on the points: it will be much more sensitive than pressing very hard on the points.
Got to test it out with my N810.
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2009-09-18
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@ Espoo, Finland
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#94
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lol.. this is precisely what I had in mind.
when I think about the open source crowd.. STYLE and FASHION are the two foremost words that are associated with us.
Come on.. all this childish tit for tat stuffs are pretty lame. What good does a collective sigh do in our forum?
I mean how serious must we take these things? These aren't the most important thing in life we are talking about here... Take it easy dude and a have beer or something. Its friday
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2009-09-18
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@ DC
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Originally Posted by DaveP1
Yea that's the long and short of it. I really wish the n900 had a capacitive screen. I'm sorry but the benefits far out weigh the cons (at least for me and lot of people). Plus capacitive screens tend to look better. I once did a test with my n97 and the iphone by displaying the same image on both phones at the same time and for whatever reason the n97 screen changed the hue of the image and it wasn't as bright even on the highest setting ;(.
A very well made resistive screen can, at best, be almost as easy to use with a finger as a capacitive screen but the best capacitive screen is still better for fingers than the best resistive screen.
Last edited by sevla; 2009-09-18 at 17:43.
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2009-09-18
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Originally Posted by livefreeordie
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in conveying my perspective as a new smart phone buyer. The ability to use "dosbox" isn't compelling to me. Nor is using the device wearing mittens or with fingernails. I think people only "prefer" using their nails because it's what they are used to having to do. Again, I am not in this demographic.
Why don't you EVER want to use a stylus? This desire to remove features just because they're unfashionable or something is ridiculous.
Just as one example, I'm pretty sure I'll be installing dosbox and some classic games as soon as possible. Many would be impossible to play if you obscure the action with your thumb, and the limited accuracy would be equally painful.
No one is forcing anyone to use the stylus for everyday tasks - the UI will be quite up to handling your finger. Not to mention that some of us actually prefer to use our nails. To me, my 5800 is much more pleasant to use than a capacitive screen.
So stop trying to badmouth our choice of tech. We don't want Nokia to cease using it just because it's "uncool" and gets them too much bad press to be worth it. That Engadget ***** is a complete ***.
Edit: imho the ideal solution would be a next gen resistive screen that the user can set from super sensitive to very insensitive. That way everyone could choose for themselves.
I think using a stylus is something long time smart phone users cling to because it's what they know. I get that. However, it's not what I know or want to know and whether you like it or not, this sentiment is growing.
Call me shallow, but being fashionable does matter somewhat to me. Frankly, I think in a world where the iPhone exists, using a stylus looks silly and old fashioned. An OS that can comfortably accommodate my finger is preferable to me. Maemo 5 appears to be able to do this 90% of time and that's good enough. It's just not ideal in my opinion.
There are plenty of other great things about this device that make me want it. I'm just saying the screen, or the 'ability' to use a stylus, fingernail, mitten, etc. isn't one of them.
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2009-09-18
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@ Oulu, Finland
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#97
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Originally Posted by qgil
That is exactly why I used to have a break between lovers (now I am married
Using a mobile OS and device that is new to you when you are actually happy about the mobile device and OS you are familiar with it's a bit like finding a new lover while you are so used to love someone. It takes time to stop trying to find the old lover in the new one, no matter how good your new lover is.
).But how many of us could live even a single day without Maemo?
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2009-09-18
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Despite the horrid display that was the Engadget show, people watch and trust them. We have to accept that people subscribe to their opinions, and they can feel how they wish.
Fact is, many people never used smartphones until the iPhone, so they expect a similar experience. We must do more to SHOW how the screen is more versatile. Maybe an art app for drawing, a better handwriting recognition app, comparing the various devices on video in cold weather or with dirty fingers (mechanic looking at photos of a part in the shop. Putting those hands on your iPhone??) We are not doing OUR job of showing the benefits properly, and the US market hasn't bought our idea because of it.
So how about taking the N900 out in public, showing it to people, and asking what THEY think about the screen? How about asking them how responsive it is? Compare the web experiences of various sites on the devices, screen resolution, camera. They need to SEE its better, not be told. The US market is nascent, and it will take much more education and exposure, no matter how good or bad the Engadget show is. I'm glad that came out. Maybe Nokia should've had a product specialist on that show, but they let this court jester talk about it with no background or in depth insight. Bad idea on Nokia's part. Couldn't they've sent texrat or someone??
Fact is, many people never used smartphones until the iPhone, so they expect a similar experience. We must do more to SHOW how the screen is more versatile. Maybe an art app for drawing, a better handwriting recognition app, comparing the various devices on video in cold weather or with dirty fingers (mechanic looking at photos of a part in the shop. Putting those hands on your iPhone??) We are not doing OUR job of showing the benefits properly, and the US market hasn't bought our idea because of it.
So how about taking the N900 out in public, showing it to people, and asking what THEY think about the screen? How about asking them how responsive it is? Compare the web experiences of various sites on the devices, screen resolution, camera. They need to SEE its better, not be told. The US market is nascent, and it will take much more education and exposure, no matter how good or bad the Engadget show is. I'm glad that came out. Maybe Nokia should've had a product specialist on that show, but they let this court jester talk about it with no background or in depth insight. Bad idea on Nokia's part. Couldn't they've sent texrat or someone??
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2009-09-18
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Originally Posted by JayBomb999
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in conveying my perspective as a new smart phone buyer. The ability to use "dosbox" isn't compelling to me. Nor is using the device wearing mittens or with fingernails. I think people only "prefer" using their nails because it's what they are used to having to do. Again, I am not in this demographic.
I think using a stylus is something long time smart phone users cling to because it's what they know. I get that. However, it's not what I know or want to know and whether you like it or not, this sentiment is growing.
Call me shallow, but being fashionable does matter somewhat to me. Frankly, I think in a world where the iPhone exists, using a stylus looks silly and old fashioned. An OS that can comfortably accommodate my finger is preferable to me. Maemo 5 appears to be able to do this 90% of time and that's good enough. It's just not ideal in my opinion.
There are plenty of other great things about this device that make me want it. I'm just saying the screen, or the 'ability' to use a stylus, fingernail, mitten, etc. isn't one of them.
Yes this is a fairly normal view many North American users have. But lets try it out and see if your viewpoint stays the same. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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2009-09-18
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@ Arlington (DFW), Texas
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Originally Posted by sevla
What makes you think the iPhone's display was presenting a true image versus the N97? I've made this mistake before with PC monitors. Unless you have an image that has been viewed on a professionally calibrated monitor meant for media (imaging and video heads know what I mean, even if I can't think of the proper term right now), you have no reference for how the image is supposed to look.
Yea that's the long and short of it. I really wish the n900 had a capacitive screen. I'm sorry but the benefits far out weigh the cons (at least for me and lot of people). Plus capacitive screens tend to look better. I once did a test with my n97 and the iphone by displaying the same image on both phones at the same time and for whatever reason the n97 screen changed the hue of the image and it wasn't as bright even on the highest setting ;(.
I found the N97's screen to be far better than the iPhone, but I prefer a cooler color pallette. Its a preference. The iPhone is warmer, but it made reds too vivid, and not natural.
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