As I said, I'm not opposing the feature at all and have even been trying to help you guys get what you want if you haven't been paying attention... even though it's a feature I won't use.

Well for me since the N900 would be used in a since as a laptop replacement since i was going to get a net-book using it as is would suit me right as a "laptop feel".

people we are talking here about phone.how to write a mesage if your other hand is busy not a chance to do that portret mode is need of users because you cant hold device vith 2 hand all the time,that can be inposible in some situations

Wow. I'm somewhat saddened by this thread, since it sounds as if there is a desire to garner support for ignoring a large faction of users. I don't think you fully understand what is being asked for, or the effects it will have on app development. However, it highlights the miscommunication that must have taken place.

I DO NOT support all apps having portriat support, either. I think a developer should decide how best his app should be used. I just think the base UI of the device should feature it. I hope that makes sense. The N97 has ASR, but plenty of apps are fixed to one orientation, including Mobitubia, a Forum Nokia Champion creation. So fixed orientation in certain apps is a good thing. Those that don't like landscape could choose emTube or other apps. And development of the 5th Edition isn't as time consuming UI wise because of multiple orientation support since the developer can still choose.

I believe we can all have a device we want. I only support choice, and your opinion matters too. We'll see what happens. I hope Maemo 6 doesn't lose a user, because Nokia seems intent to include ASR there, but I think you'll be pleased with the implementation.

Chris I think you're misreading the overall gist.

I'd agree if I hadn't been so discouraged and beaten down by senior members of this forum about this issue. The fact this thread was made "in response to mine" just shows how I've faced opposition to seeking a solution on adding ASR to Fremantle. I've shared ugly words with most of the posters in this thread and a few others. Let's just say I'm not very welcome in Maemo.org, and I'm not the only one feeling the hate. This ain't Symbian territory, and I've been made aware.

I want a feature added that won't affect anyone not interested in using it. But a large faction of the voices expressing opposition to my endeavours and disdain at my methods for drawing support are developers and experience Maemo users that seem to think I'm trying to ruin the perfectly good OS, saying it will make app development harder for them, and I should stick to Symbian, blah blah blah...

For all of Maemo's agility and ability, there is an impediment to progress that doesn't suit the old guard around here. People are rude, mean, discouraging, and generally not very willing to help or support new features that don't fit their usage case. There's a big Us vs. Them mentality I've never seen in any Nokia OS community.

Oh, Symbian, save me... I miss you. We hardly had this attitude in our communities ever. Maybe I will be forced to wait for Symbian^4...

Sorry, but you missed the fact that the creation of this thread is showing you much respect.

You politely asked that no "dissidents" post in the thread you started. You were kindly obliged.

But why are there dissidents at all? And why would developers speak against user requests? We depend on them to put our ideas into tangible solutions, but it isn't easy to engage them. I don't know how things are done here, but no one is quick to help show me. Just rudeness and conflict, discouragement, and obstacles. I don't see this in the iPhone, RIM, xda, or Symbian forums, just here. This should be fun, but it ain't! It makes me want to go back to doing music full time and leaving this headache to the young cats.

ASR wouldn't affect those that don't want to use it, so why say anything at all? If he really respected me, I wouldn't have verbally jousted with him and most of the developers on this forum that think of themselves. This isn't open source spirit, this is a train wreck! We MUST improve this forum's mission and attitude towards new users or we will not see much success.

I'm speaking from experience. I learned this lesson in our own Symbian forums first hand, and I had to repair many relations to correct it. I don't see this forum as helpful for anyone but the hardcore guys. A big shame, but the truth. I've been ready to choke a few guys here a few times, and my reputation with loving mobiles and helping in designing new concepts for apps and features has always been well received until now. I'm not very well liked here, and maybe that has some to do with me, but not all. I must go to war to get help on anything here. Why is this?

how so, bro? You're one of the best speakers/writers I know. Explain in that great way you always do. I'd love to see another side to this.

I expect a few, but this attitude is rampant. Its a cancer to these forums, and I'd hate this to ruin Maemo. Were my N900 not free, I'd stick to Symbian, but I'm not here for me, but my community, so I'll take one for the team.

But I won't be attending any Maemo conferences. Might have to punch some of these rude guys. Just not very nice atmosphere. I take my community for granted.

And I'm glad you see that ASR won't bother you if you don't want it. They know it , too, but think it will make app development harder. What a lazy attitude..