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Originally Posted by Venomrush
Ofcourse. Still, there is enough reason to support a standard still heavily in use if not only for backwards compatibility reasons.
I think we should be moving forward and away from MMS.
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Originally Posted by drew
It was not included because then Nokia would have need to implement full WAP 2.1 specification, and because namespaces are not available in the Linux kernel Nokia uses on N900. So it'd have cost a considerable amount of time and money to implement MMS. The question then becomes, would you have wanted to wait longer for N900? I would not... YMMV...
I rarely use MMS (cant remember last time), however I believe that it should be included. MMS is available on nearly every phone but email is not. Everyone gave Apple so much flack for it, but now that its happening with the N900, its "ok" to not have it.
Basic phone features should always be included.
Originally Posted by abu9al7
We've looked into the alternatives to namespacing, and one person has successfully found an alternative. On networking layer this solution works in a simulated environment. This means one can make a second APN to the MMS gateway.
Q: Isn't there any third party app or expansion to add MMS to N900 yet ?
What is missing is:
- Patching Nokia PPPd, or using LD_PRELOAD
- Using available tools to decode MIME from SMS and grab MMS.
- Present in nice UI for the general public.
- Testing in real environments.
See the other MMS thread for more background information and technical details.
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2009-11-13
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Forgive me, I did not mean to imply that it needed to be added right now. As long as MMS finds its way in there someday, thats good enough.
It was not included because then Nokia would have need to implement full WAP 2.1 specification, and because namespaces are not available in the Linux kernel Nokia uses on N900. So it'd have cost a considerable amount of time and money to implement MMS. The question then becomes, would you have wanted to wait longer for N900? I would not... YMMV...
We've looked into the alternatives to namespacing, and one person has successfully found an alternative. On networking layer this solution works in a simulated environment. This means one can make a second APN to the MMS gateway.
What is missing is:
- Patching Nokia PPPd, or using LD_PRELOAD
- Using available tools to decode MIME from SMS and grab MMS.
- Present in nice UI for the general public.
- Testing in real environments.
See the other MMS thread for more background information and technical details.
MMS is for the masses, I could live without it.
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Originally Posted by code177
What has replaced it? I could send photos via e-mail on my old Sidekick in 2000 or so.
The iphone came out three years ago. Three years ago it was unacceptable not to have MMS.
Three years later, however, technology marches on....
Tech hasn't moved on... by your own admission, that's a 3+ year old expectation that the current N900 doesn't satisfy quite yet.
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
That's the answer that should have been provided via official channels from day one.
It was not included because then Nokia would have need to implement full WAP 2.1 specification, and because namespaces are not available in the Linux kernel Nokia uses on N900. So it'd have cost a considerable amount of time and money to implement MMS.
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I'm asking again... what happens when you receive an MMS on the N900?
Seriously, it's not that deep of a question folks.
Seriously, it's not that deep of a question folks.
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2009-11-13
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Have not received one, so it's deeper than you think.
I'm asking again... what happens when you receive an MMS on the N900?
Seriously, it's not that deep of a question folks.
I can only assume the speculation of a forwarded url is accurate.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Depends on telco, and probably country.
I'm asking again... what happens when you receive an MMS on the N900?
When you sign up and put SIM in your phone some providers see that your phone supports MMS and manually toggle MMS support on. When you then toss the SIM in another phone without MMS, the phone may still be registered as MMS-capable. Other providers use IMEI and have lists of phones which support MMS.
Now, what happens? Some will send you a MIME encoded message which looks like spam. You'll see this in your SMS box. That means the 'MMS' actually got through. You can decode this message with one of the many tools available. Then you have the URL to the content, and you maybe can load it. However, there are caveats. First, this all isn't pretty in a GUI. Second, many cannot directly connect to MMSC, and will need to set up a second connection to the MMSC APN though.
Other providers will convert the MMS to an e-mail.
Seriously, it's not that deep of a question folks.
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Point me to it. Nothing comes up on a search.
Maybe because it was already addressed in other MMS threads...
Three years later, however, technology marches on....