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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by MontyBravo
So where does the N900 "not work properly" - besides the hardware issues some have with the broken microphones?
If I released one of my hardware products my company sells and it did not work properly we would not be in business!
Or doesn't it just live up to your expectations (whereever they came from)? Many phones don't live up to mine, too - but I wouldn't call them broken.
I just wouldn't consider buying them, then. For me the N900 is what I want to have - the phone features are plenty for me, but I really want to have the open platform behind it. Your mileage may vary.
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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by sharper
Yes. But if it doesn't fit your vision of a phone, it clearly isn't the right phone for you. The iphone for example clearly isn't the right phone for me, even as Apple operates on the same basis - but I can accept that and don't throw fits on some apple board.
I'm not a business expert but as far as I know Nokia operates on the basis of its products being "for" as many people with money to spend as possible.
The N900 is the phone for people who see the N900 as the phone they want. Nothing more, nothing less.
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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by DaveP1
Well, then this is not the phone for you. Then you need to buy a different phone which does what you want. But please let me have the phone I want which might be different from yours.
I need a phone that works, not a toy that I can get root on and experiment with. Limited computing capability is a nice extra but that is all it is, an extra.
I really don't understand some people.
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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by range
Can we stop that "It's a new kind of device" thing?
It is a new kind of device which exists parallel to the S60 devices, and is a new platform which - yes - needs to mature.
The name is "Maemo 5" because it's the 5th version of an OS that was introduced to the public in 2005.
What they did was drop quite a few features (pity) and add some. It's not a new kind of device. It's the long overdue successor to the N810, something we thought would be released in 2008.
Looking at it from a distance and comparing it to the 4 previous iterations of Maemo, it seems 80% of the work has gone into the UI. Well. That's one strategy.
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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by Raubtier
This is a great feature in S60. Though I currently, have the N900, I am still using my N95 because of the "used to" features that are missing.
you have a good point! i really dont understand why these features were omitted...another thing missing is the option for the phone to speak out the callers name, really miss that feature.
hope that these features will be packed in until feb..
i`m getting tired with people either bashing the n900 or telling people t purchase an iphone whenever it is critized. there is nothing to dispute about the fact that the n900 would be way better if these standard s60 features were included.
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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Although that is true, it is also true that this is the First maemo phone. In that respect it is the first maemo device doing this, and that is probably why it is lacking certain phone capabilities.
Can we stop that "It's a new kind of device" thing?
The name is "Maemo 5" because it's the 5th version of an OS that was introduced to the public in 2005.
What they did was drop quite a few features (pity) and add some. It's not a new kind of device. It's the long overdue successor to the N810, something we thought would be released in 2008.
Looking at it from a distance and comparing it to the 4 previous iterations of Maemo, it seems 80% of the work has gone into the UI. Well. That's one strategy.
It still needs to mature in the phone department.
But everything else seems a lot more mature to me than previous maemo versions ;P
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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by Phlook
And my question would be how anybody registered in September 2009 didn't now that this was "step 4 out 5"? Anybody registered on this board should have known about what Nokia said in Nokia World and what many Nokia employees have said on this board. Maemo 6 will be consumer version. Maemo 5 sits somewhere between consumer friendly and the previous "science project"-like Maemo products.
The question is: would anybody have the patience to wait another 6 months or more for the N900's first release so it could have everything everybody wants implemented in it?
We have strange viral videos about cyborg-penguins spewing stuff about open-source. What we don't have is a mass market aimed TV and newspaper advertisements. We have Nokia making pretty clear on each step of the way that Maemo 5 isn't and shouln''t be a mass market consumer device.
Call me silly fanboi, if you want, but items on OP's list are owerwhelmingly stuff that Nokia never promised. The bugs in release firmware are different matter. Current e-mail problems, for example, are inexcusable and shouldn't be there at release. I both expect and want Nokia to fix those quickly. I don't expect Nokia to do things that were never supposed to be there until Maemo 6, like real support for portrait mode.
Maybe Nokia's real error was to underestimate the interest it's brand alone would bring to N900/Maemo 5. The delays in N900's release due to unexpected demand seem to indicate so. Nokia's brand alone seems to have peeked interest from lot of people who didn't know what they were getting into.
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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by Rauha
That's a good point. They might have fared better if it was released under a different brand name, maybe not even branding it a Nokia phone but "Nokia Research M5" or something. Let people discover it a bit more slowly.
Maybe Nokia's real error was to underestimate the interest it's brand alone would bring to N900/Maemo 5. The delays in N900's release due to unexpected demand seem to indicate so. Nokia's brand alone seems to have peeked interest from lot of people who didn't know what they were getting into.
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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by TAD88
But, see, that's actually part of the problem for many readers here. We KNOW about the reported drawbacks thanks to al those threads.
and seriously guys , I just mentioned missing functions in N900 that have been mentioned in this thread by other members many and many times with hope that nokia add them to N900 soon and If anyone does not miss them so good for him.
Time to move past recognition, though, and toward resolution... to that aim, the post below the one I'm quoting is a good starting point!
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It is a new kind of device which exists parallel to the S60 devices, and is a new platform which - yes - needs to mature. On the other hand I have features which I cannot find on an S60 phone. But I don't expect S60 phones to have an xterm for example.
And the specifications of the device have been available since August, and none of the features people seem to be used to from their S60 phones have been mentioned in there. If you absolutely need these features, S60 seems to be the right platform at the moment. And you could try to reapply for a maemo phone a bit later.
If you want something else, the N900 could be your phone. But as said: The specs have been open, so I don't understand the sudden surprise moment here.