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2009-12-08
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who gives you/us the right to give the outcome of evolution a name?
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2009-12-08
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I guess that's partly about how and where you look.
When people complain about the bluetooth being glitchy, I see a bug filed for that.
When people complain about the phone functionality being thin, I see a brainstorm on improving it.
When people complain about the music player, I see several alternate music players under development.
And when people complain about missing emulators I see requests for patience while the lawyers sort it out and files hosted somewhere other than maemo.org.
I could post links for all of these but I'm duvet surfing on n900 and it's too fiddly.
I think it comes down to whether your ear is tuned for noise or signal.
When people complain about the bluetooth being glitchy, I see a bug filed for that.
When people complain about the phone functionality being thin, I see a brainstorm on improving it.
When people complain about the music player, I see several alternate music players under development.
And when people complain about missing emulators I see requests for patience while the lawyers sort it out and files hosted somewhere other than maemo.org.
I could post links for all of these but I'm duvet surfing on n900 and it's too fiddly.
I think it comes down to whether your ear is tuned for noise or signal.
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2009-12-08
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@ California USA
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Originally Posted by eyn
I have an N800. I get free WiFi at work. At home I get free city-wide WiFi. With Pidgin installed I chat with all my friends and relatives. With Skype installed I can make phone calls to any cell phone or landline for a few cents per minute. When I travel, I always have WiFi where I spend the night. My screen is bigger than the N900. My bluetooth GPS works better than the N900 GPS.
I know people are going to flame me for this, but have to ask though.
I'm a gadget junky in general, so I'm very impressed and happy with the N900. But after a few weeks on this forum, I find more or less the same throw backs for most of the issues raised.
When somebody complains about the BT being all crap, folks jump on them saying N900 is not a phone, go get an iPhone.
When one complains about that the media player is so basic, again people say o! this is not a music player, go get an iPod
Then I see, somebody complain about all the Nintendo emulators being pulled out, again its, this is not for playing games, go get a PSP.
So I'm wondering, what N900 supposed to do? I know, I know... internet tablet. but it still doesn't run v10 and most of the heavy flash stuff is non-usable. I'm sure, for this people would say get a laptop.
When do I get the N900?
Again, I love my N900, just wondering out loud.
Just wondering out loud.
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2009-12-08
, 22:07
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@ France
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(When using "you", I'm being general, not specifically *you*, eyn)
You buy an N900 when you want to be challenged, when you don't complain about small missing features, when you want to help build, test and complete an amazing device.
People don't charge money for apps on the N900, which means they will never make a living out of it (for 98% of the developers out there). Yes, Nokia helps a lot by developing the base applications, but that's just what they are, base apps. There are a lot of things we can improve upon, and one of those things is motivating developers into making their applications 100% complete, 100% usable and 100% polished. I really do believe (and this dates back quite a bit) that a lot of developers use the excuse "It's Open Source, so as long as it works for me, sod it", but sadly it really hurts the platform.
At some point, I really liked Canola, because it was extremely polished, it showed a few very interesting concepts in terms of user experience, and it worked very nicely (although being slow, talking about early versions). I think this really sums up most of the issues people are having.
The iPhone set a standard where people just download something, pay a buck or two, and can use the applications fully. Even the free apps are pretty well finished, because if they're not, they don't get through the App Store. This doesn't happen in Maemo, people get access to applications which aren't finished. Yes, they work for people who share the same mindset as the developer, or who are happy to use just a couple of features that are already developed, but overall, someone who's just downloading it for fun will be lost.
What I'm trying to say, is that you get an N900 when you don't have the expectations of an iPhone user. You get an N900 when what you want is a device which will allow you to do a lot of stuff, absolutely amazing things, but you know how to be constructive in your reactions and your feedback -- in other words, you are helpful, and understanding that the people who write the stuff aren't at your service. This is a platform that allows sharing, I have more friends in this Community than anywhere else online (you guys are my only friends!), and given a bit of patience, we will have a feature set to be proud of and amazed by -- if you aren't already.
By the way, this post completely deserves to be in Community.
You buy an N900 when you want to be challenged, when you don't complain about small missing features, when you want to help build, test and complete an amazing device.
People don't charge money for apps on the N900, which means they will never make a living out of it (for 98% of the developers out there). Yes, Nokia helps a lot by developing the base applications, but that's just what they are, base apps. There are a lot of things we can improve upon, and one of those things is motivating developers into making their applications 100% complete, 100% usable and 100% polished. I really do believe (and this dates back quite a bit) that a lot of developers use the excuse "It's Open Source, so as long as it works for me, sod it", but sadly it really hurts the platform.
At some point, I really liked Canola, because it was extremely polished, it showed a few very interesting concepts in terms of user experience, and it worked very nicely (although being slow, talking about early versions). I think this really sums up most of the issues people are having.
The iPhone set a standard where people just download something, pay a buck or two, and can use the applications fully. Even the free apps are pretty well finished, because if they're not, they don't get through the App Store. This doesn't happen in Maemo, people get access to applications which aren't finished. Yes, they work for people who share the same mindset as the developer, or who are happy to use just a couple of features that are already developed, but overall, someone who's just downloading it for fun will be lost.
What I'm trying to say, is that you get an N900 when you don't have the expectations of an iPhone user. You get an N900 when what you want is a device which will allow you to do a lot of stuff, absolutely amazing things, but you know how to be constructive in your reactions and your feedback -- in other words, you are helpful, and understanding that the people who write the stuff aren't at your service. This is a platform that allows sharing, I have more friends in this Community than anywhere else online (you guys are my only friends!), and given a bit of patience, we will have a feature set to be proud of and amazed by -- if you aren't already.
By the way, this post completely deserves to be in Community.
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2009-12-08
, 22:23
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@ Denver, CO USA
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy
Very true... but its besides my point. What I pointing out is the general tone in which people react to these in here...
I guess that's partly about how and where you look.
When people complain about the bluetooth being glitchy, I see a bug filed for that.
When people complain about the phone functionality being thin, I see a brainstorm on improving it.
When people complain about the music player, I see several alternate music players under development.
And when people complain about missing emulators I see requests for patience while the lawyers sort it out and files hosted somewhere other than maemo.org.
I could post links for all of these but I'm duvet surfing on n900 and it's too fiddly.
I think it comes down to whether your ear is tuned for noise or signal.
I'm basically from WM platform, and use xda developers forum extensively. Even though everybody seams rude there, it's mainly because, with the sudden influx of smart phones to the general consumers, the silly/'not-searched' questions pop-up so very often.
here, even though I feel most of the complains are valid, people take offense and chew the guy out.
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2009-12-08
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Originally Posted by CrashandDie
The first thing I told my friends after I got the N900 is that, how hard and time consuming it was to setup Google with Nuevasync and get all my contacts, calendar and mails in. And loved it, its what makes having a smart phone so bloody unique.
(When using "you", I'm being general, not specifically *you*, eyn)
You buy an N900 when you want to be challenged, when you don't complain about small missing features, when you want to help build, test and complete an amazing device.
People don't charge money for apps on the N900, which means they will never make a living out of it (for 98% of the developers out there). Yes, Nokia helps a lot by developing the base applications, but that's just what they are, base apps. There are a lot of things we can improve upon, and one of those things is motivating developers into making their applications 100% complete, 100% usable and 100% polished. I really do believe (and this dates back quite a bit) that a lot of developers use the excuse "It's Open Source, so as long as it works for me, sod it", but sadly it really hurts the platform.
At some point, I really liked Canola, because it was extremely polished, it showed a few very interesting concepts in terms of user experience, and it worked very nicely (although being slow, talking about early versions). I think this really sums up most of the issues people are having.
The iPhone set a standard where people just download something, pay a buck or two, and can use the applications fully. Even the free apps are pretty well finished, because if they're not, they don't get through the App Store. This doesn't happen in Maemo, people get access to applications which aren't finished. Yes, they work for people who share the same mindset as the developer, or who are happy to use just a couple of features that are already developed, but overall, someone who's just downloading it for fun will be lost.
What I'm trying to say, is that you get an N900 when you don't have the expectations of an iPhone user. You get an N900 when what you want is a device which will allow you to do a lot of stuff, absolutely amazing things, but you know how to be constructive in your reactions and your feedback -- in other words, you are helpful, and understanding that the people who write the stuff aren't at your service. This is a platform that allows sharing, I have more friends in this Community than anywhere else online (you guys are my only friends!), and given a bit of patience, we will have a feature set to be proud of and amazed by -- if you aren't already.
By the way, this post completely deserves to be in Community.
Just a day before I got the myTouch 3G and a second after I put in my google id, everything was setup. What do I do after that? I've not touched that phone again.
So I'm not in a long shot looking for an iPhone experience. I hate that iPhone cannot differentiate me from somebody who doesn't even have an email id.
If you give me a page long instructions to set the phone to ring when connected to the bluetooth and I have to set a weekend aside to do it... I'm a happy camper... But you shoot me down saying... don't expect it... that's when I'm disappointed.
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2009-12-08
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Originally Posted by CrashandDie
I am definitely a Huge fan of the N900.
(When using "you", I'm being general, not specifically *you*, eyn)
You buy an N900 when you want to be challenged, when you don't complain about small missing features, when you want to help build, test and complete an amazing device.
People don't charge money for apps on the N900, which means they will never make a living out of it (for 98% of the developers out there). Yes, Nokia helps a lot by developing the base applications, but that's just what they are, base apps. There are a lot of things we can improve upon, and one of those things is motivating developers into making their applications 100% complete, 100% usable and 100% polished. I really do believe (and this dates back quite a bit) that a lot of developers use the excuse "It's Open Source, so as long as it works for me, sod it", but sadly it really hurts the platform.
At some point, I really liked Canola, because it was extremely polished, it showed a few very interesting concepts in terms of user experience, and it worked very nicely (although being slow, talking about early versions). I think this really sums up most of the issues people are having.
The iPhone set a standard where people just download something, pay a buck or two, and can use the applications fully. Even the free apps are pretty well finished, because if they're not, they don't get through the App Store. This doesn't happen in Maemo, people get access to applications which aren't finished. Yes, they work for people who share the same mindset as the developer, or who are happy to use just a couple of features that are already developed, but overall, someone who's just downloading it for fun will be lost.
What I'm trying to say, is that you get an N900 when you don't have the expectations of an iPhone user. You get an N900 when what you want is a device which will allow you to do a lot of stuff, absolutely amazing things, but you know how to be constructive in your reactions and your feedback -- in other words, you are helpful, and understanding that the people who write the stuff aren't at your service. This is a platform that allows sharing, I have more friends in this Community than anywhere else online (you guys are my only friends!), and given a bit of patience, we will have a feature set to be proud of and amazed by -- if you aren't already.
By the way, this post completely deserves to be in Community.
I agree with you regarding non base additional apps, and the fact that it takes time for them to become polished especially since the developers are not really profiting from it.
A disappointment I've had with the N900 is the fact that BASE apps and functionalities provided and advertised by nokia, often DO NOT work well. There are a number of issues with the device that have nothing to do with "other" developers, they are issues that Nokia hasn't been able to resolve in time for launch apparently.
for example, bluetooth, GPS functionality, video recording, wifi...
and battery issues for a lot of people apparently, including myself.(though I'm still waiting to see if battery life improves with more charge cycles.)
Don't get me wrong, I was in the "ship it now as is" crowd, however, after the delay I had hoped that such issues would have been taken care of.
As another poster mentioned, my N800 does some of these things better than the N900 at the moment.
I don't understand the reason for the regression in some of these aspects.
I'm still happy with it, just anxiously waiting for the bugs to be fixed.
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2009-12-08
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@ North Texas, USA
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The problem you're facing, eyn, is more lack of forum filtering than anything. I don't see every member responding the way you say they have, just some. You're liable to receive a diverse array of feedback here, and that can be highly affected by how the original questions/comments are phrased.
There's a simple filter too: post count and karma rankings (Thanks). They're not perfect indicators, but they can help you distinguish sometimes between signal and noise.
Last edited by Texrat; 2009-12-08 at 22:44.
There's a simple filter too: post count and karma rankings (Thanks). They're not perfect indicators, but they can help you distinguish sometimes between signal and noise.
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2009-12-08
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@ Tampere, Finland
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I guess it's mostly about how the complaints are presented. If the post is civilized and constructive I've found you get pretty reasonable replies. But way too often people come here just to vent. They're pissed of because feature X that they had with their previous device Y doesn't exist or they don't like how something works and label the whole device crap in the process. That's when they get jumped on, because there are quite a lot of happy users to whom that feature X might be trivial and have the device for entirely different reasons.
Just an example: "This phone doesn't have X, this is complete bull****! Android has this, how dare Nokia release this kind of crap! It's unusable for me because of this!"
Now how do you answer this? You can say that maybe the feature wasn't a priority, after all it's just a matter of time and resources. But will they take it for an answer? No. The second option is to just say they might be better off with Android then? But in the end there just is no answer that will satisfy them. I usually just stay quiet.
Just an example: "This phone doesn't have X, this is complete bull****! Android has this, how dare Nokia release this kind of crap! It's unusable for me because of this!"
Now how do you answer this? You can say that maybe the feature wasn't a priority, after all it's just a matter of time and resources. But will they take it for an answer? No. The second option is to just say they might be better off with Android then? But in the end there just is no answer that will satisfy them. I usually just stay quiet.
I'm a gadget junky in general, so I'm very impressed and happy with the N900. But after a few weeks on this forum, I find more or less the same throw backs for most of the issues raised.
When somebody complains about the BT being all crap, folks jump on them saying N900 is not a phone, go get an iPhone.
When one complains about that the media player is so basic, again people say o! this is not a music player, go get an iPod
Then I see, somebody complain about all the Nintendo emulators being pulled out, again its, this is not for playing games, go get a PSP.
So I'm wondering, what N900 supposed to do? I know, I know... internet tablet. but it still doesn't run v10 and most of the heavy flash stuff is non-usable. I'm sure, for this people would say get a laptop.
When do I get the N900?
Again, I love my N900, just wondering out loud.
Last edited by eyn; 2009-12-08 at 21:51.