thats not unstable tho- its just missing features, and a loop hole in the browser doesnt make it unstable, it has made it much better

you are not applyling consitancy at all

i of course am , and i am not mentioning missing features- i am only talking about stability- the problem being the n900's power

the problems are due to the quality of control of the units on sale- they act differently because the hardware to kernal isnt consistant.

you can not say this happened to apple/sony or nintendo.

perhaps you can apply it to manufactures like archos/creative etc but nokia is a big boy- and should play like one.

But the kernel is stable. I'm not sure you understand what "stable" means. Now, WimMo (6.5 even) - that's unstable

winmo 6.5 is horrid- maemo is pretty nice

the kernal is not stable at all. i dont think you have any idea what you are talking about- just read the million threads about power issues/reboot issues/charging issues- the linux kernal controls the hardware.

minor niggles. the internal gps is the worst bit - it's annoyingly bad; doesn't lock at all without a network connection and takes its own sweet time locking even with one. the bug thread was depressing to read. (also, no digital compass, which is a sad omission, but i knew about that going in)

zem mine locks in a second with a network- and there is allways a network where i live. but ovi maps isnt worth using.

delighted with mine.

Reboots are caused by a watchdog process, not the kernel.

Charging, yeah that could be a bad driver. Not the kernel.

Kernel stable means it runs in a steady state memory and cpu usage wise "forever", so you don't need to reboot the device just to regain memory/functionality.

So far, there are a lot of reported userspace issues, and a handful of driver issues. The kernel itself isn't panicking randomly - that would be unstable.

All of this is a hill of beans to most end users who cannot distinguish between the behavior of the kernel and the overall behavior of the device. That doesn't make it any less true, of course.

That is not completely fair either. The devices aren't necessarily all that similar. I would argue the installed 3rd party software already creates a greater variance than on any other phone. Simply because people can install so many applications that run on the background or alter the device behavior on much deeper level than on other phones. Jailbroken iPhones with vnc and ssh server constantly running on the background get pretty varied (usually quite a bit shorter) battery life too. Then there are the different type of networks and frequencies, totally different usage patterns and preferences. It can very well be simply the difference between "install all" and super tweaker.

As I've said before, my N900 has been really stable. I don't get reboots and because I'm selective of what I run and install, haven't seen many software crashes either. I think most reboots are either hardware problems or 3rd party software. HW problems could very well be bad batch of OMAP3s or similar, since for example Droid is suffering similar problems.

I remember lots of threads and discussions back in the day about iPhone app crashes and phone lockups, cracked cases and so on. I think that any device so complex as a modern smartphone is going to have problems on some part of the device. If enough are sold, there are also going to be lots of people who have this problem or that. Best place to find them would be a place like this forum, so it doesn't necessarily give you a balanced view.

well everyone that talks about this says its the linux kernal issue with the processor- this is also happening with the droid. linux kernal and same procecessor.-- no its not just the processor- the procsesor runs fine on other devices its the linux kernal and processor combo- the kernal should be able to run it fine..

but you are also know turning full circle and saying it is running unstable. with your last comment. or are u not .i dont undesrand- they reakon 1 in 5 units have the rebooting issue and many many others are getting no charge out of there batterys- some cant charge there devices at all.batterys are charging half way. there is a power problem as well- its all probally linked mind.


answer me this- forget about the kernal as its immaterial(even tho just about everyone that seems to know what they are saying are saying it is down to the combination of the kernal and processor)

are nokia and motorolla (as it is also happening to users there) serving us well by giving us devices that act randomly?- or maybe just maybe they rushed getting them out b4 crimbo!

ermm tough one.


"That is not completely fair either. The devices aren't necessarily all that similar. I would argue the installed 3rd party software already creates a greater variance than on any other phone."

rubbish probs are out of the box - everyone is reporting this

I will never again purchase a Nokia product! After 5 hours on the phone with Tech support over 10 days Nokia no won't exchange my phone because it's passed the 30 day limit.

Even though I started the complaint on the 20th day. Their support team never calls back and management is terrible.

I supply phones to my 12 employees. I promise it won't be Nokia.