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2010-01-15
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
It is quite relevant. The primary target was the end-users, the end-users reside mainly in the forums, the decision to discuss the problem at Talk was correct.
. . . and completely irrelevant to the type of discussion that community involves.
That case isn't particularly applicable here, no do I see where you arrive at this conclusion.
Should you have a counter-point on every topic?
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Official communication with whom? The maemo.org staff? The official communication channel is the mailing list. The council? Well, they've outlined their communication channels on the wiki. Nokia? Nokia Care.
And I don't think you're seeing my specific position on the matter. I agree that people shouldn't be discarded.. as long as there is someone willing to host a forum, and a mailing list.. you can have both. I don't really agree shutting one or the other down is a good idea.
What I do believe though, is there should be an official communication channel. If that is chosen to be the forums.. then anybody who chooses not to participate on the forums is opting not to be heard (by the majority, and officially) unless they hire themselves a relay.
Originally Posted by fatalsaint
It's not raising issues that's the problem, it's participating in the discussion. Their participation is what I value and we wont get it if we close down the mailing list and move all community discussion here.
I'm not saying they need to browse all day and keep up on these threads, or even participate in the pissing contests.. however if the people you're talking about (paid contributors and what not) have an opinion or suggestion on something to improve or whatever.. and they can't be bothered to make a single thread or post about it.. then it doesn't really seem as if it's that important to them. Evidently, not using the forum, a very useful tool for a very large portion of the community - is more important than whatever issue they are trying to raise.
But, really, we're going around in circles here. We arrived at the conclusion to this discussion months ago:
Closing down either the mailing list or the forum isn't an option, so we're left with finding a way to synchronize information between tho two tools. So let's move past argument for argument's sake and figure out a technical solution to the problem (locking this thread and starting a new one may be the best way to do that).
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Originally Posted by Reggie
We're discussing community discussion here, not end-user support.
It is quite relevant. The primary target was the end-users, the end-users reside mainly in the forums, the decision to discuss the problem at Talk was correct.
I could drag in another dozen threads from the mailing lists that "prove" that it's a better medium for developer discussions, but where does that get us here? We get that you love the forums; however, posting examples of why they're "better" doesn't really get us anywhere productive in this discussion.
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
If I'm reading Reggie right, that distinction is moot. The point is made a notch higher.
We're discussing community discussion here, not end-user support.
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
I see. Sorry, my definition of 'community' includes end-user discussion/support. And I was merely pointing out that someone being paid by Nokia can use their paid time to use the forums if they can improve their product.
We're discussing community discussion here, not end-user support.
EDIT: Exactly Randy. Sorry, we were posting at the same time.
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Ok well I guess I'm a bit out of my depth here.. as you said I thought we were discussing communications for the community.
Official communication with whom? The maemo.org staff? The official communication channel is the mailing list. The council? Well, they've outlined their communication channels on the wiki. Nokia? Nokia Care.
Now.. I guess.. what exactly defines the community is up in the air, I presume?
There is obviously a similarity between what -community and this community subforum are meant to discuss... that is the tie that I am referring and saying one or the other should marked as "official" for whatever purpose these two avenues are meant to discuss.
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2010-01-15
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As Dillinger said, he robs banks because that's where the money is.
To reflect the will of the community, you have to go where the community is.
That is on the fora, not on the mailing lists, as a rule.
In fact, there are two communities. Their opinions often clash. To choose between official forums and mailing lists would be to pick a winning community and a losing community. I don't think that would be good for anyone.
I preferred the official recognition of two communities that existed when they were divided into independent sites. Then disagreement was recognized as natural, and negotiation and diplomacy were the right ways to cope.
I doubt that any unification scheme will work, for reasons one can deduce from what GA is saying.
To reflect the will of the community, you have to go where the community is.
That is on the fora, not on the mailing lists, as a rule.
In fact, there are two communities. Their opinions often clash. To choose between official forums and mailing lists would be to pick a winning community and a losing community. I don't think that would be good for anyone.
I preferred the official recognition of two communities that existed when they were divided into independent sites. Then disagreement was recognized as natural, and negotiation and diplomacy were the right ways to cope.
I doubt that any unification scheme will work, for reasons one can deduce from what GA is saying.
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No. I want the mailing-list.
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Originally Posted by twaelti
It's yours then. Keep it secret. Keep it safe.
No. I want the mailing-list.
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