This is *not* a community run service. As far as I can tell, everyone that has access to the servers is paid directly or indirectly (as consultants or via other companies) by Nokia. The "community" has no access to the servers themselves, nor even the most basic information about them. The community has no access to logs, how many hits, or anything whatsoever. In fact, who is in charge of what is very vague as well--it could perhaps be pieced together through tidbits left here and there, but it certainly isn't clear.

If it were a community run service, we'd be able to get in there and get some things done. Instead we have to wait for the crumbs that Nokia throws us. Compare this to Debian, which is a *real* community run distro. Or even to Fedora, which is corporate sponsored, but has huge community involvement.

Check this out:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Outag...astructure_SOP
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Categ...structure_SOPs

Think Nokia will do something like that? We'll just get one way blog posts from Ari Jaaksi or something talking about how great things are.

-Jeff

Jeff, you're absolutely right. We do have community involvement, but not at any level which gives us any ability to fix this issue with the servers. However, we can set up our own mirrors and backup plan, which maemo.org and nokia welcome. I'm all for doing anything I can to help set up full mirrors, or anything else that could ease the pain of future issues. I have a limited set of skills, but I would love a chance to help.

if i'm not mistaken Nokia isn't maemo.org
nokia is the one with the updates maemo.org are the guys doing all the other work as far as testing and Repositories with the add ons like IM and others

It doesn't appear that Nokia even cares. This is their prime, new device and I had to search forums to find out that on Monday, their device will actually re-gain access to the limited number of apps. I hope they do something to make up for this. Fingers crossed for a stash of new apps when Ovi Store exits beta stage.

I would gladly pay a monthly donation for a real community run server mirroring everything, I often hear issues about slow build servers too. I am pretty sure others would support such an undertaking.

That is not accurate.

Nokia's servers haven't gone down, and apps provided on Nokia servers including on Ovi are still available.

Only the maemo.org repositories are down. Do you think Apple cares when non-Apple sites go down, or Google cares when non-Google Android sites go down?

That said, maemo.org is special. It is a rather grey line between Nokia and maemo.org.

Nearly all the useful third-party apps are on maemo.org. Nokia clearly relies on it for their (almost non-existent) marketing.

Nokia pays for maemo.org servers, and maemo.org repos are installed by default. But it's clearly not run by Nokia, nor run the way Nokia would run commercial servers. That comes with pros and cons. A pro being all the good community development and involvement resources that are hosted on maemo.org. A con being... what we saw this weekend.

Whoever is or isn't at fault, it can't be good for Nokia or Maemo to have this kind of outage when its ace card is an enthusiastic bunch of users who are not rendered more enthusiastic by repositories going down for days.

I would give this a Score: 5, Funny ...
I have been annoyed by the repository shortage as much as the next guy. But this just wasn't a problem to warrant paying someone the money that would have been needed to get someone to work on weekend. With Hockey season on and all! )

This is just IMHO. I'm not working with Nokia or have any real affiliation with maemo.org..

Are the servers back online ?
Can't check it up at the moment. Thanks.

not working for me as of yet!!!!