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gusch5 is offline gusch5
2010-01-28 , 00:16
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#181
Originally Posted by HangLoose View Post
I am waiting patiently for Maemo 6+Qt+Better Ovi+Ovi Suite(with all of those weird little programs it is carrying) promise.

N900 was announced very carefully because Nokia knew that this kind of sentiment, unfinished device, would be brought up. After the miserable N97 lauch fail (and the device is still paying the price for it) I think they have learned a lesson or two about unfinished devices.

N900 blew my mind because of so much potential the platform promises, have not heard prior to N900.

Having said that. If Nokia can not produce a less beta-ish device, Ovi services continue lumping (OMFG, I can not even sync my N900 with Calendar), the launched Apps for windows/mac are still half baked (what is the difference between pc suite and ovi suite?) I really think there is no way back...

Who is actually going to be building software for this kind of mess? Who will buy the promise that "this is the step 5 of 9263"? Either I will go for Android and let Big G know all my dirty secrets or let Steve Jobs have my credit card in his pocket... Or then, dust off my old E61i and be happy :P
Oh - you are sooooooo right!
 
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2010-01-28 , 00:25
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#182
Originally Posted by speculatrix View Post

The ipad won't make phone calls, with no webcam it won't do skype or video calling, no expansion ports of any kind, no multitasking which ruins much of the point of a larger more powerful device. No FM radio as far as I can tell. It probably has A2DP bluetooth so maybe you could feed audio to remote speakers, but then the NexusOne can do that.

So, yes, it's a big ipod touch with a data modem, managed in the same way, tied to a computer running itunes.

From the video I saw on Apple's site, one does not need to have iTunes to get stuff onto the Pad so the whole "Tied to iTunes" doesn't seem to hold water.

This is not a phone. Comparisons to phones makes no sense at all. Comparisons to Kindles Sony Readers, Nooks and the like make sense

That said I think the reason Apple left off the camera is because they plan on milking it's customers for an upgrade sometime in the future. Plans for the camera are already in the SDK. You would have to be a complete idiot to think that apple did not consider VOIP or video chat when they made this thing.

personally I'm weighing the pros and cons of this thing since I arguably don't need half of my laptop when I'm at work or doing non-development work.

I had my doubts about the UI but the video on Apple's page was pretty compelling. My 800 has shown me how "little" I "need" my laptop, just as my laptop has all but replaced my desktop. I see the Pad as being a supplementary device for content creator types and possibly a primary device for people who mainly ingest media.

If it gets voice commands and voice transcription, it will be a serious game changer. We'd all do well to keep an open mind on this.
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N800
Diablo
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Gpodder Cache on MMC
MTube Cache on MMC
Mugen 1800mAh Battery
Addesso USB rollup keyboard
Solio Solar Charger
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N810
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Milhouse is offline Milhouse
2010-01-28 , 00:29
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#183
Originally Posted by bugelrex View Post
I wonder if the n900 browser was written by outside software contractors hired by Nokia? The quality/usability gap between the browser and the rest of the software is very noticeable.

Or maybe Nokia only have very few decent developers and the rest are college grads?
The browser has been worked on very hard by a long time Mozilla developer who has worked for Nokia on the tablets for a few years and is very active (and vocal!) in the community (both in bugzilla and IRC). It's a shame there aren't a dozen more like him.

There are a few other Nokia developers active in Bugzilla and on the mailing lists, and again they do sterling work but they can't spare the time to work on every part of the platform and I still get the impression that resources on Maemo remain tight so some applications are overlooked and/or farmed out where the quality suffers.

After 5 years of development I'm still disappointed to see that Nokia haven't yet produced a tablet that isn't being constantly developed from the ground up - each new Maemo OS seems like a rewrite with scant regard for backward compatibility as the specification is torn up and rewritten with new frameworks, new UIs etc. It feels like we're just beta testing this OS and will never be see the fruits of our labours (ie. our testing and bug reporting resulting in improved software) unless we buy the next device as well.

Android in less time has evolved to a point where it surpasses Maemo and is now targeting big screen netbooks and even set top boxes, and I certainly hoped Nokia could take Maemo into the netbook segment but it's probably too late for that now.
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2010-01-28 , 00:30
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#184
And about that Flash stuff. Seen that HTML5 "VIdeo" Tag? Right. H264 is the future. The more of these phones, touches, and pads apple sells, the more people are going to go H264. Heck Youtube has H264 so you don't even need flash to see those videos. I know that for any client I do video for I will be strongly pushing H264.

And personally I'm tired of hitting flash pages that insist I upgrade to whatever version they think I need. H264 ends that ****.
And all those Flash UI's? I'll be glad to see them go too.
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N800
Diablo
Boot from MMC
Gpodder Cache on MMC
MTube Cache on MMC
Mugen 1800mAh Battery
Addesso USB rollup keyboard
Solio Solar Charger
Holux GPSlim GPS

N810
community SSU
Turbo Diablo
8GB external
Boot from Internal SD
Still no GPS Fix.

N900
Stock
32GB
Many Solar Chargers (Saved bacon during Sandy!)
Inland ProHT BT keyboard
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2010-01-28 , 00:37
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#185
Originally Posted by speculatrix View Post
BTW, Milhouse, yeah, we get the message. But you know what, if we wanted to embrace the apple mindset, where apple know what's best for us, and if apple don't do it it's not worth doing, and itunes is the source of everything good and great, and DRM is OK and Steve loves us really... then we'd buy a freakin' ipod or iphone.
Instead we're enthusiasts, willing to put a bit of effort into our devices, to understand them customise them, adapt them, and not be a prisoner to some DRM that might vapourise leaving us with useless media (think "plays for sure", yahoo's magic vanishing music store etc). The only boundary is the raw performance of the devices and the efforts of the community and nokia.
That's just the point - I don't want to embrace the Apple mindset either, and I do want Nokia to succeed. However it's hard to see how Nokia will remain relevant in the longer term unless they can compete on software terms AND service terms with a company like Apple. The content providers backing the iPad is pretty damned impressive, you have to admit.

Obviously Nokia don't need to copy Apple in terms of everything they do - particularly control freakery aspect - but they do have to match them in terms of the end user experience, and this is a big, big challenge that has been known about for years and is only very slowly being achieved, but is it too slow? I think it might be.

5 years on and while progress has been made in Maemo there is so much further to go before it would be possible to recommend Maemo to the common man in place of iPhone OS, or even Android.

Nokia will not survive in this market by catering to "enthusiasts", eventually even you might begin to wonder why you are bothering!
 

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2010-01-28 , 00:43
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#186
Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
After 5 years of development I'm still disappointed to see that Nokia haven't yet produced a tablet that isn't being constantly developed from the ground up - each new Maemo OS seems like a rewrite with scant regard for backward compatibility as the specification is torn up and rewritten with new frameworks, new UIs etc. It feels like we're just beta testing this OS and will never be see the fruits of our labours (ie. our testing and bug reporting resulting in improved software) unless we buy the next device as well.

Android in less time has evolved to a point where it surpasses Maemo and is now targeting big screen netbooks and even set top boxes, and I certainly hoped Nokia could take Maemo, into the netbook segment but it's probably too late for that now.
I do agree , what a shame. Nokia 5 years ago took a giant step with the N770 and then froze...there are those that can lead and those that should follow.
 
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2010-01-28 , 00:51
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#187
What is this device area of usage?

Programming? - no, it is proprietary, no KBD

Voice communication? - no

Video communication? - no

Text chat? - yes, but it is TOO big for that.

Multimedia communications (photo/video)? - No, it hasn't camera.

Book reading? - yes

Watching live video? - yes, but only expensive one has 3G

Watching DRM films? - yes, but what about loading - 3G, flash, battery time, multitasking, infrastructure?


So, it's area mostly - reading/watching DRM content because reading/watching free content much better to do with less expensive device. But in this area I think it will be soon competitors - boxes which have HDMI socket for big TV screen... And you can do it yourself with simple Acer/HP boxes NOW. The only 3G may have an advantage because of mobile usage... but see note above about battery etc. At this point I think DRM content producers should subside it.

PS. Don't mix it with computer - it has nothing with it.
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Milhouse is offline Milhouse
2010-01-28 , 00:59
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#188
Originally Posted by sondjata View Post
Seen that HTML5 "VIdeo" Tag? Right. H264 is the future.
Or maybe not, as Mozilla aren't supporting it as H.264 is patent encumbered. Ogg Theora (or possibly the Google owned open source VP3 codec originally based on Theora) may possibly become a future standard, free for all to use. There is a pretty powerful argument not to use H.264 in web pages.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01...4_video_codec/
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2010-01-28 , 01:07
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#189
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2010-01-28 , 01:13
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#190
I've seen a tablet PC about six YEARS ago, and it has multitasking, expansion options (with respect to ports), user-replaceable battery, and so much more at what would probably be two iPads stacked on top of one another.

Also, I can buy a book with Digital RESTRICTIONS Management for the same price as a hardcover? Where can I sign up? What a bunch of ********.
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