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Thanks Stskeeps for this clear explanation.
Through your and others's efforts, I think seperated mobile os will be at near future.
I also hope Nokia can directly uncover their plan but not leave this nokia's duty to Stskeeps.
Stskeeps, you are great, you are important to our nokia device users and nokia's future.
Through your and others's efforts, I think seperated mobile os will be at near future.
I also hope Nokia can directly uncover their plan but not leave this nokia's duty to Stskeeps.
Stskeeps, you are great, you are important to our nokia device users and nokia's future.
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2010-02-20
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having heard presentation with Nokia and Intel I am pretty sure that MeeGo is targeted at future Intel-based hardware and they are trying to attract devedlopers to build apps for that future platform.. N900 is not Intel based so I still do not see reson why it would be supported. Nokia apparently changed plans and decided to cooperate with Intel to build better hardware, thenthe missing bit - the software - they expect to get mostly from open source community. So another good reason why to abandon N900 support.
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2010-02-20
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Originally Posted by mlb
Why even bothering doing ARM support then if their plans are so devious and cunning?
having heard presentation with Nokia and Intel I am pretty sure that MeeGo is targeted at future Intel-based hardware and they are trying to attract devedlopers to build apps for that future platform.. N900 is not Intel based so I still do not see reson why it would be supported. Nokia apparently changed plans and decided to cooperate with Intel to build better hardware, thenthe missing bit - the software - they expect to get mostly from open source community. So another good reason why to abandon N900 support.
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2010-02-21
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Stskeeps,
I really wanted to be persuaded by this post, but I don't feel reassured at all. Let's go through the list of questions you say we should be asking:
Are my concerns all invalid? Please, I sincerely want to be convinced, but as it stands I just can't see buying another Nokia.
I really wanted to be persuaded by this post, but I don't feel reassured at all. Let's go through the list of questions you say we should be asking:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
This seems to be an unkown. If Nokia would explicitly pledge long term driver support, I'd feel a little better.
- Will Nokia as a hardware vendor continue to provide drivers for N900 for MeeGo and Maemo 6? (Will they devote resources to do this or help community to do this themselves)
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
Production quality? I have my doubts... It certainly won't be possible if Nokia doesn't provide all the drivers, right? In any case, if the community can make MeeGo run on N900, doesn't that prove beyond all doubt that Nokia could have done it themselves? It sure feels like they're dropping support to save on development costs and force hardware upgrades. This isn't just an annoyance to N900 users, it's also a terrible idea from a business perspective -- this is no way to build momentum and loyalty for the platform.
- Do you trust that the community is capable of producing a production quality MeeGo or Maemo 6 for N900, if it had technical assistance by Nokia for driver issues? And would you use it?
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
I'm sure they will. Does that justify package-incompatibility between Maemo 5 and Harmattan? They've done this with every Maemo major release, and it needs to stop. What kind of "platform" requires every package to be modified/rebuilt for each significant OS revision? Certainly none of the desktop OSs, and not the iPhone. As someone said on Ari's blog comments, "It's going to take a long time to catch up to the iPhone's 140,000 apps if our total keeps getting reset back to zero every 6-18 months. The best way to obtain lasting user- and developer-loyalty is through platform stability and long-term support."
- Will applications coded for MeeGo/Maemo6 be possible to build for Maemo5 with little effort?
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
Ari already said that OVI maps navigation isn't coming to N900. Maybe it could work via a community port of MeeGo, but Nokia won't be making any effort to ensure that it does.
- Will Nokia be using the cross-platformness of MeeGo APIs to bring their software stack to all Nokia devices running the MeeGo platform (community or vendor-originated)?
Are my concerns all invalid? Please, I sincerely want to be convinced, but as it stands I just can't see buying another Nokia.
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2010-02-21
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I agree. with you on this one.
way to many if's about his issue. it sound like something that nokia should be doing. RIP maemo 5, it could only last through ONE device lol crazy. MeeGo is for the mass market and different phone/ electronic devices. it will get all the support and attention.
history will repeat itself on this one. RIP n900
I will love to be proved wrong, But nokia is very quiet about everything n900 lately, i'm not sure whats going on.
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way to many if's about his issue. it sound like something that nokia should be doing. RIP maemo 5, it could only last through ONE device lol crazy. MeeGo is for the mass market and different phone/ electronic devices. it will get all the support and attention.
history will repeat itself on this one. RIP n900
I will love to be proved wrong, But nokia is very quiet about everything n900 lately, i'm not sure whats going on.
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Stskeeps,
I really wanted to be persuaded by this post, but I don't feel reassured at all. Let's go through the list of questions you say we should be asking:
This seems to be an unkown. If Nokia would explicitly pledge long term driver support, I'd feel a little better.
Production quality? I have my doubts... It certainly won't be possible if Nokia doesn't provide all the drivers, right? In any case, if the community can make MeeGo run on N900, doesn't that prove beyond all doubt that Nokia could have done it themselves? It sure feels like they're dropping support to save on development costs and force hardware upgrades. This isn't just an annoyance to N900 users, it's also a terrible idea from a business perspective -- this is no way to build momentum and loyalty for the platform.
I'm sure they will. Does that justify package-incompatibility between Maemo 5 and Harmattan? They've done this with every Maemo major release, and it needs to stop. What kind of "platform" requires every package to be modified/rebuilt for each significant OS revision? Certainly none of the desktop OSs, and not the iPhone. As someone said on Ari's blog comments, "It's going to take a long time to catch up to the iPhone's 140,000 apps if our total keeps getting reset back to zero every 6-18 months. The best way to obtain lasting user- and developer-loyalty is through platform stability and long-term support."
Ari already said that OVI maps navigation isn't coming to N900. Maybe it could work via a community port of MeeGo, but Nokia won't be making any effort to ensure that it does.
Are my concerns all invalid? Please, I sincerely want to be convinced, but as it stands I just can't see buying another Nokia.
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2010-02-21
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nokia's silence says everything you need to know
naive to think otherwise
naive to think otherwise
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2010-02-21
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Originally Posted by anonym
It seems to me that the QT cross-compatibility is the solution to the breaks in library support between every previous Maemo device.
I'm sure they will. Does that justify package-incompatibility between Maemo 5 and Harmattan? They've done this with every Maemo major release, and it needs to stop. What kind of "platform" requires every package to be modified/rebuilt for each significant OS revision? Certainly none of the desktop OSs, and not the iPhone. As someone said on Ari's blog comments, "It's going to take a long time to catch up to the iPhone's 140,000 apps if our total keeps getting reset back to zero every 6-18 months. The best way to obtain lasting user- and developer-loyalty is through platform stability and long-term support."
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They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2010-02-21
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Originally Posted by anonym
Nop, my post says you're beating the wrong horses and you need to be asking these questions instead as they are far more important and precise for your device future.
Stskeeps,
Are my concerns all invalid? Please, I sincerely want to be convinced, but as it stands I just can't see buying another Nokia.
I'm not worried because we have a strong community and a flexible hardware vendor. Far more flexible than other vendors in this regard. And add on top of that, that Fremantle will have a long lifetime as well.
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2010-02-21
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First off, let me make a statement: The prospect that Hartmann might not be supported by Nokia on the N900 is something that was well known to the community before. That situation has not changed with the MeeGo announcement. Yet, many of us bought in despite that potential cloud over our heads. The question is, what were those reasons, and what has changed now to make you want to jump ship?
I bought in because it was exactly the phone I was looking for: more computer than phone. And I've been quite happy with it, even with its flaws. Even if Nokia ended support for it tomorrow, I'd be fine with it. I know some of you out there with 770s, 800s and 810s aren't treating those like bricks. They still have use for those who own them.
I'm more reassured by the QT support that will happen with both OSs, because it means that applications can cross-pollinate at the very least.
I bought in because it was exactly the phone I was looking for: more computer than phone. And I've been quite happy with it, even with its flaws. Even if Nokia ended support for it tomorrow, I'd be fine with it. I know some of you out there with 770s, 800s and 810s aren't treating those like bricks. They still have use for those who own them.
I'm more reassured by the QT support that will happen with both OSs, because it means that applications can cross-pollinate at the very least.
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And i think you should look at this as the n900 the way that structure(?) is going. And thats the direction we see the meego being the perfect platform for." I think what he is saying is that going open source and embracing the open source community the way maemo has is what meego will also do. I dont really think he means n900 will get meego, but only time will tell.
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