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2010-02-26
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#172
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Originally Posted by dneary
One example the leaps out when looking at the list below 100 karma points is http://maemo.org/profile/view/andreagrandi/, a person who actually did run for council last year.
Are there people under 100 karma who you think want to be candidates, who don't have enough karma and who should?
EDIT: nevermind, I'm confusing http://maemo.org/profile/view/andy80/
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2010-02-26
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#173
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Originally Posted by bergie
I don't think it's valid to filter on resolution. For example, quite often a duplicate reported later gets more attention (useful discussion, votes, attachments) and so we resolve the original as DUPLICATE instead. GA has already commented on INVALID.
I'd love to make the bugzilla stats a bit more qualitative. If we got stats about bug votes and also of resolutions (so we can filter out duplicates etc)
If you want more "qualitative" metrics you can look at the number of votes and comments (not saying that this is the right thing to do mind you, but it's similar to counting thanks and thumbs-up, ie it's measuring popularity). One thing that may be worth considering is giving extra points for patches.
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2010-02-26
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#174
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Originally Posted by qole
Changing karma formulas before elections always feels a bit weird. I'd say use the original karma formula, and then after the elections the council can make it a topic and resolve it without the pressure of a short deadline, sense of potential injustice because of a formula change, etc, etc.
Yes, please. Let's get this fixed to the place where VDVsx is happy with the formulas.
And I still thik a karma pool is a good idea to avoid issues like this on the long run
Think about it this way - the proposed formulas were discussed for weeks, and when a rough consensus seemed to form, it got implemented, and when the results came back, it still felt wrong. Do you see the problem ? Even an attempt takes months, that's why I feel the tweakster approach is a sisyphusian task...
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2010-02-26
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#175
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Originally Posted by attila77
Yeah, wrong for 2 reasons, at least for me:
And I still thik a karma pool is a good idea to avoid issues like this on the long run
1- Blogs karma was not working according to old formulas, because we limited the blogs karma and everybody's blogs karma increased.
2- Implementation of non-agreed changes(bugs&favorites).
I also agree with the karma pool, but that's a decision for the next council/MeeGo, I guess. For now we can fix easily these two situations without much changes in the ability to vote of run for the council.
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2010-03-01
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#176
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Something sunk in for me today that does make me question karma.
It really hit home that an outspoken malcontent can earn posting Thanks from other malcontents and ultimately gain enough to seem credible as a contributor. Ironically this works against the system.
I'm not suggesting any sort of karmic censorship but it does point out, again, that human judgment HAS to be the most important element. There may actually be some way to implement automated checks-and-balances to minimize "malcontent validation" but ultimately people need to apply some sense to the processing.
It really hit home that an outspoken malcontent can earn posting Thanks from other malcontents and ultimately gain enough to seem credible as a contributor. Ironically this works against the system.
I'm not suggesting any sort of karmic censorship but it does point out, again, that human judgment HAS to be the most important element. There may actually be some way to implement automated checks-and-balances to minimize "malcontent validation" but ultimately people need to apply some sense to the processing.
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2010-03-01
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#177
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Finally you sussed me out.
Something sunk in for me today that does make me question karma.
It really hit home that an outspoken malcontent can earn posting Thanks from other malcontents and ultimately gain enough to seem credible as a contributor. Ironically this works against the system.
I'm not suggesting any sort of karmic censorship but it does point out, again, that human judgment HAS to be the most important element. There may actually be some way to implement automated checks-and-balances to minimize "malcontent validation" but ultimately people need to apply some sense to the processing.
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2010-03-01
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#178
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Is karma for malcontent an actual problem? In terms of OrangeBox getting 500+ karma points or such? Or is it a theoretical thing?
It really hit home that an outspoken malcontent can earn posting Thanks from other malcontents and ultimately gain enough to seem credible as a contributor. Ironically this works against the system.
I'm not suggesting any sort of karmic censorship but it does point out, again, that human judgment HAS to be the most important element. There may actually be some way to implement automated checks-and-balances to minimize "malcontent validation" but ultimately people need to apply some sense to the processing.
I mean, thanking already is the human judgment you're talking about. What you introduce now is meta-judgment. We'd need to double-check that, too. Right?
I'm very much in favor of automated Karma counts, little human interaction. (Except where the karma actually expresses thankfulness.)
Having it based on human judgment too much will open the door to all errors humans can make... including: We might overlook the silent ones and give all karma we can give to those who're always in the limelight. Those who have a working social network here may get more karma than those who do things but don't chat and make friends. Etc.
Humans are.... I don't know. I like computers.
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2010-03-01
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#179
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Benny, I have a personal issue with troublemakers rewarded the same as contributors if that reward is used for some sort of currency. The reason I didn't go far down the path is because it's a big banana that needs to be peeled carefully and deliberately in another thread. 
As for human judgment-- it's unavoidable. Without it you get the stupid fascism of zero tolerance. And I'd rather have a leader making final decisions that occasionally gets one wrong than a simple coin-flipper who distills everything into go or no-go.
As for human judgment-- it's unavoidable. Without it you get the stupid fascism of zero tolerance. And I'd rather have a leader making final decisions that occasionally gets one wrong than a simple coin-flipper who distills everything into go or no-go.
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2010-03-04
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#180
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Originally Posted by Texrat
What the ...?
... it's a big banana that needs to be peeled carefully and deliberately in another thread...
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