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2010-04-08 , 22:10
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#71
Originally Posted by emeni View Post
you're american, you should know better. you, from all the civilized countries have the least rights.
I was actually laughing with a friend in december when in Frankfurt they had extra security checks for americans.
Anyhow, you are part of the country (free) which is the most controlled on the planet.

The police can track you down only using your IMEI, if they want to, even if you change the sim card they will know who to track, because they can chose from IMEI and phone number. Do they abuse it? hell yea, I know thousand of chases. I even abused the system asking a friend to track down someone, and my friend is at the low end of the chain of command. I won't go into details since it would be stupid of me to do that, as it's illegal, as there is no prof.
I know cases in the news paper when the police tracked down criminals from their IMEI as they used to swipe simcards very often.
I even found to buy a tracker, and device listener (exactly as said before to listen to the conversations), but it was too expensive for me (10000euros). It's not illegal to sell it, but it's illegal to own it.

Stop trusting everything they say about privacy, law, only court order. Everybody has his price, and if you find someone who's too expensive, go to his colleague, he will be cheaper.
one thing you're forgetting - most of the handsets in the US are not GSM, and as such do not have an IMEI number. most of the handsets are CDMA and have an ESN. and according to Wikipedia, there are no more unique ESNs, the last unique codes having been allocated back in November 2008.

but i'm just being a pedant now
 

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2010-04-09 , 10:32
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Leaving aside all the legal arguments (not really the place to argue for/against), I am curious why you would want to do it?

Changing the IMEI can, in some cases cause the device to be blocked by some over-eager networks which use the EIR (Equipment Identity Register) function in network equipment to stop stolen mobile devices being used.

I can't tell you how to change the IMEI, but I would suggest you not to do it, unless you have a really good reason to do it.

Hope that helps.
 
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2010-04-09 , 10:43
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Originally Posted by Aranel View Post
Personally, I prefer to be anonymous. Not because I'm a criminal or a threat to anyone (Because I'll dominate the World. mwahaha--) just because I think I have rights to have a private life, with private information.
simple solution: stop using cellphones. problem solved and then you aren't bending the morale either.
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2010-04-09 , 10:45
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Originally Posted by egoshin View Post
True.

But it completely undermines the discussed goal - anonymity. Because anonymity requires a change on-a-fly, without visiting some lab with equipment. If you change IMEI once you are not shielded by anonymity, phone is localized/bind to your SIM card soon after that.

So, if people insist on discussing this topic then they have another reason...
same to you. stop using gsm networks and there you go. public wlans can be found pretty easily today imo....
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2010-04-09 , 10:50
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+1 for Ossipena's answer.

If you value your privacy that much then stop using a) mobile phones, b) any form of electronic banking and to a lesser form c) the internet.

Between those 3 services it is possible to see what you are doing, where and with who.

I value my privacy alot, and I take as many precautions to maintain it as much as possible. In the end the best you can do it make it as difficult as possible - use cash when possible, turn off you're phone between calls, etc.

I think you have to think about what you (egoshin and Aranel)are saying..
 
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2010-04-09 , 11:21
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Originally Posted by btyers View Post
+1 for Ossipena's answer.

If you value your privacy that much then stop using a) mobile phones, b) any form of electronic banking and to a lesser form c) the internet.

Between those 3 services it is possible to see what you are doing, where and with who.

I value my privacy alot, and I take as many precautions to maintain it as much as possible. In the end the best you can do it make it as difficult as possible - use cash when possible, turn off you're phone between calls, etc.

I think you have to think about what you (egoshin and Aranel)are saying..

Internet is safe if you know how to use it, there are a lot of platforms like TOR for privacy. Also, mobile phone, I repeat, if I want not to be tracked can be done, by switching IMEI and Sim card at the same time, so you would appear as a new phone in the network.

The banking, I don't care about that, since the bank can only see where I buy, not what. But if you would want safe banking Switzerland is always available, or countries you've never heard off.
 
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2010-04-09 , 11:49
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Originally Posted by Aranel View Post
Personally, I prefer to be anonymous. Not because I'm a criminal or a threat to anyone (Because I'll dominate the World. mwahaha--) just because I think I have rights to have a private life, with private information. And my mobile device -which bought by me. It was not free, or given as a gift by government- should not be a collar for me. But, like I said, It is matter of choice. I prefer to be anonymous, I LOVE being anonymous and I don't think It is reasonable to trust anyone (police,government, you name it) that much.
I often wonder what's more dangerous - the abuse potential of trackability or the false sense of anonymity people sometimes have.
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2010-04-09 , 11:59
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New readers: To summarise the thread up to this point then, it can be done (at least in theory) but no-one who has the skills seems that interested.

Certainly a topic to take off TMO and onto one of the less regulated forums where such dodgy matters can be discussed with no prejudgements.
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2010-04-09 , 12:10
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Originally Posted by emeni View Post
Internet is safe if you know how to use it, there are a lot of platforms like TOR for privacy. Also, mobile phone, I repeat, if I want not to be tracked can be done, by switching IMEI and Sim card at the same time, so you would appear as a new phone in the network.

The banking, I don't care about that, since the bank can only see where I buy, not what. But if you would want safe banking Switzerland is always available, or countries you've never heard off.
1. Tor does not provide privacy. It provides a certain level of anonymity but once you exit from the Tor network, it is possible to have your traffic intercepted.

Tor has been already been attacked by Tor router owners who sniff their users traffic.

* http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheO...tEavesdroppers
* http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/Sep-2007/msg00082.html

Hence, Tor does not provide you with 100% privacy, only a certain level of anonymity.

2. Switching IMEI and SIM at the same time? WTF? You mean using a different device? Sure, thats what most people who want to protect their privacy do - journalists, private people, whistle-blowers, etc.

3. Banking. Switzerland is not as private as it used to be.

Anyway, I think this thread is a few replies away from invoking Godwin's Law.
 

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2010-04-09 , 13:09
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Originally Posted by nze View Post
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yeah, I'd like to see you happily throwing away your new £450 phone as you realise that it's stolen.
Are you seriously saying that you think it's OK to use stolen equipment?

Or maybe ask the police to pay you back
You may have misunderstood how to use the police force. Hint: Tell them about the fence. You can legally claim your money back. And in the case the fence is so untrackable that it's imposible to find him and his money then it's really your own fault that you lost your money: It should have been quite clear to you that the seller was selling dubious goods, and you deserve your loss.
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