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2010-04-22
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Gerbrick has some clear points. And I myself have had issues over the years with how Nokia has managed the entire like of NIT products.
But the way I've seen it, and continue to see from here - is that Nokia has produced a series of devices that are the closest to the perfect devices I've seen (I loved my N810, and hope to love my N900) - and the only devices that I can feel I'm using and supporting without feeling completely like a sell out.
Hopefully, MeeGo being more of a open development process and visible to the public will be better. However, what I fear and don't want to see happen is Nokia+Intel making a base.. and then saying "K, we're done. Ask the community what's next."
Even in the Open Source world of Linux you need a backing by a dedicated group of people to propel forward. The off-time, night coders of the community don't have the time to dedicate full-time-job-like effort to the project. This is why things like Ubuntu, Red Hat, SuSE and Mandrake are big - they have a central core group that continues to work on the product; and then they take input from the community on where to go next.
But the way I've seen it, and continue to see from here - is that Nokia has produced a series of devices that are the closest to the perfect devices I've seen (I loved my N810, and hope to love my N900) - and the only devices that I can feel I'm using and supporting without feeling completely like a sell out.
Hopefully, MeeGo being more of a open development process and visible to the public will be better. However, what I fear and don't want to see happen is Nokia+Intel making a base.. and then saying "K, we're done. Ask the community what's next."
Even in the Open Source world of Linux you need a backing by a dedicated group of people to propel forward. The off-time, night coders of the community don't have the time to dedicate full-time-job-like effort to the project. This is why things like Ubuntu, Red Hat, SuSE and Mandrake are big - they have a central core group that continues to work on the product; and then they take input from the community on where to go next.
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2010-04-22
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Travel to Europe or China to check out, everyone is holding a Nokia.
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2010-04-22
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Gerbick my apologies; I wasn't meaning to be personal, just noting what has been my observation when we lock horns. You've even acknowledged that tendency before so I didn't think the comment would be an issue.
I'm also confused by your rebuttal above based on your choice to rebut me earlier. But maybe my position was unclear. Your replies certainly are now to me...
Anyway I'm spent on this and was hoping to keep the talk at a higher level. Too many passions appear to have been ignited for that though so I'm taking 5.
I'm also confused by your rebuttal above based on your choice to rebut me earlier. But maybe my position was unclear. Your replies certainly are now to me...
Anyway I'm spent on this and was hoping to keep the talk at a higher level. Too many passions appear to have been ignited for that though so I'm taking 5.
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2010-04-22
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Originally Posted by toto29820
Just being back from BOTH Europe and China this year I can tell you they are not.
Travel to Europe or China to check out, everyone is holding a Nokia.
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2010-04-22
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Originally Posted by toto29820
That's the problem. Instead of focusing on high class quality phones, Nokia is much concern about making some cheap quantity phone for the masses.
Travel to Europe or China to check out, everyone is holding a Nokia.
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2010-04-22
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Bingo.
Gerbrick has some clear points. And I myself have had issues over the years with how Nokia has managed the entire like of NIT products.
But the way I've seen it, and continue to see from here - is that Nokia has produced a series of devices that are the closest to the perfect devices I've seen (I loved my N810, and hope to love my N900) - and the only devices that I can feel I'm using and supporting without feeling completely like a sell out.
Hopefully, MeeGo being more of a open development process and visible to the public will be better. However, what I fear and don't want to see happen is Nokia+Intel making a base.. and then saying "K, we're done. Ask the community what's next."
Even in the Open Source world of Linux you need a backing by a dedicated group of people to propel forward. The off-time, night coders of the community don't have the time to dedicate full-time-job-like effort to the project. This is why things like Ubuntu, Red Hat, SuSE and Mandrake are big - they have a central core group that continues to work on the product; and then they take input from the community on where to go next.
I agree 100%. Nicely stated.
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2010-04-22
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Originally Posted by x61
How does that relate to the poorly phrased statement that everyone in Europe and China are using Nokia devices?
That's the problem. Instead of focusing on high class quality phones, Nokia is much concern about making some cheap quantity phone for the masses.
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.N810 experience: Since 6/2009
My Twenty Favorite OS2008 Applications:
AutoScan, Diablo5 Theme, Dialcentral, DragLock, EmelFM2, FlipClock, gPodder, Headphoned, Knots 2, Maemo Mapper, mPlayer, openNTPD, OpenSSH, Panucci, Personal Launcher, QuickNote, Seqretary, SlideLock, Telescope, YellowNotes
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2010-04-22
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Agreed, and I've said as much many, many times.
Even in the Open Source world of Linux you need a backing by a dedicated group of people to propel forward. The off-time, night coders of the community don't have the time to dedicate full-time-job-like effort to the project. This is why things like Ubuntu, Red Hat, SuSE and Mandrake are big - they have a central core group that continues to work on the product; and then they take input from the community on where to go next.
People just need to understand that invoking "walled gardens" automatically hauls in open source.... IP...software patents... etc. Like I said though, this topic is wayyy too complex for our little post-by-post punditry.
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2010-04-22
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Originally Posted by toto29820
I travel to the developing markets in Asia quite frequently (4 times/year) and my experience is quite different, somewhere like the Philippines is still Nokia land where Nokia and the 'N's are almost like a status symbol. China used to be all about Nokia but there is a tornado of Android development sweeping right through it from Shanghai to Chengdu, the marketshare advantage that Nokia enjoyed for so long is quite rapidly being eroded.
Travel to Europe or China to check out, everyone is holding a Nokia.
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The freedom that I've witnessed so far here is mainly the freedom to scratch your own @$$. No one really cares about how the platform (maemo, n900, or nokia) competes in the 'big game' out there.... furthermore, Nokia isn't giving much direction (or talking at all) to the community at large in this sense.
For example, El Jobs made a comment (actually he's spewing a non-answer to sidestep a question, but whatever) about how people should go to Android for porns. That should be an obvious hint that there might be a 'market' for porn-friendly phones out there... but where's the retaliation of "HERE'S THE MOTHERLODE OF HANDHELD PORN RIGHT HERE ON MAEMO!! WHERE YOU'RE FREE TO DO WHAT YOUR HEART (AND C**K) WANTS"? I saw a number of threads dissing Apple and nothing really happened here.
Most users here think appealing to the mainstream as something dirty. A basic mis-alignment of interest such as this should serve as a big warning sign of loss of coherence and efficiency in propelling this whole boat forward.
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