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abill_uk is offline abill_uk
2010-04-26 , 02:13
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#71
Originally Posted by sjgadsby View Post
Except that the writer does have copyright.



Providing an excellent handheld Linux distribution. Working upstream in the projects used to build that distributions so the entire open source community benefits. Providing massive monetary support to the Linux Foundation. Sponsoring summits and other events for the community. Providing hardware to independent developers. Flying independent developers to events and development meetings with developers in the Maemo division at Nokia.
Ho ho ho santa has arrived with all the goodies, ok WHY are so many people pissed off with Nokia then?.
 
abill_uk is offline abill_uk
2010-04-26 , 02:15
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby View Post
Copyright belongs to the original writer unless copyright is deliberately reassigned by that writer to, say, the Free Software Foundation.
SO what your saying here is that everyone writing an app or whatever for the N900 has got copyright automatically ?.
 
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2010-04-26 , 02:16
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#73
Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
SO what your saying here is that everyone writing an app or whatever for the N900 has got copyright automatically ?.
At least under US Copyright law they do, I suspect it is true under the laws of most other nations. Perhaps you should go back a page or so and re-read what sjgadsby wrote.
 

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2010-04-26 , 02:25
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#74
Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
SO what your saying here is that everyone writing an app or whatever for the N900 has got copyright automatically ?.
Put simply, anytime you put anything into a form understandable by human or computer, you immediately have copyright on that creation. Paint a painting; you have copyright. Write a poem; you have copyright. Write a program; you have copyright.

There are exceptions, of course. Work you do as part of your employment is work-for-hire and your employer has copyright. Lists of straight information, such names and phone numbers in a phone book, aren't creative and therefore aren't protected by copyright. The list goes on.

Officially registering copyright for an item with a copyright office is a separate, optional step. You have copyright without it. Registering copyright just helps if someone infringes upon your copyright and you take that person to court.
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2010-04-26 , 02:29
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#75
Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
At least under US Copyright law they do, I suspect it is true under the laws of most other nations. Perhaps you should go back a page or so and re-read what sjgadsby wrote.
I read and i am looking obviously a lot deeper into this than you are because i know for sure Nokia can pick up and any code whatsoever written for the community and establish it within their own coding for their own devices which WILL have a Nokia copyright attatched to it !, and my point is still standing, Nokia are benifiting from this community more than you realise, they see everything everyone comes up with for free so all the great idea's everyone is putting forward can easily be gobbled up by Nokia at any time.
What is nokia doing for end user thats so good if all you got are people ranting and raving on here for many reasons at Nokia?.
 
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2010-04-26 , 02:33
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
I read and i am looking obviously a lot deeper into this than you are because i know for sure Nokia can pick up and any code whatsoever written for the community and establish it within their own coding for their own devices which WILL have a Nokia copyright attatched to it !
No, legally, Nokia cannot do that. That would be a violation of copyright.

Nokia could use GPL code from the community in their own GPL projects. That's rather the point though.
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2010-04-26 , 02:33
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#77
Originally Posted by sjgadsby View Post
Put simply, anytime you put anything into a form understandable by human or computer, you immediately have copyright on that creation. Paint a painting; you have copyright. Write a poem; you have copyright. Write a program; you have copyright.

There are exceptions, of course. Work you do as part of your employment is work-for-hire and your employer has copyright. Lists of straight information, such names and phone numbers in a phone book, aren't creative and therefore aren't protected by copyright. The list goes on.

Officially registering copyright for an item with a copyright office is a separate, optional step. You have copyright without it. Registering copyright just helps if someone infringes upon your copyright and you take that person to court.
I think you know very well that copyright is such a complex law that many many loopholes exist that people like Nokia will use and benifit from so all the good the community is doing is basically making Nokia benifit in the long run.
 
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2010-04-26 , 02:34
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
I read and i am looking obviously a lot deeper into this than you are
Are you? It sounds more like a rather extensive misunderstanding of what open source is and how it functions.

because i know for sure Nokia can pick up and any code whatsoever written for the community and establish it within their own coding for their own devices which WILL have a Nokia copyright attatched to it!
Only for their bits. Please go read and try to grasp the GPLv2, which is what covers much of Maemo and MeeGo.

my point is still standing, Nokia are benifiting from this community more than you realise, they see everything everyone comes up with for free so all the great idea's everyone is putting forward can easily be gobbled up by Nokia at any time.
Not without a cost.

What is nokia doing for end user thats so good if all you got are people ranting and raving on here for many reasons at Nokia?.
Because they expected an App store and didn't get it is my guess.

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
I think you know very well that copyright is such a complex law that many many loopholes exist that people like Nokia will use and benifit from so all the good the community is doing is basically making Nokia benifit in the long run.
There are loopholes. Go look at Tivo, and the proposed DRM mode of future devices. That's why the GPLv3 was written (and why avoiding it is going to be par for the course for MeeGo.)

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This is going to be a never ending thing unless YOU admit that Nokia is going to make good use of this community, what is Nokia giving in return?
Simple, they gave me awesome hardware to work with and didn't lock it down to the point of unusability. That's actually extremely unusual in the mobile industry.
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2010-04-26 , 02:35
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This is going to be a never ending thing unless YOU admit that Nokia is going to make good use of this community, what is Nokia giving in return?
 
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2010-04-26 , 02:37
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
...Nokia will use and benifit from so all the good the community is doing is basically making Nokia benifit in the long run.
That's the point of open source, Linux, and the GPL. Nokia benefits from using GPL code created by others. And all those others benefit as Nokia continues to contribute code back.

I think you know very well that copyright is such a complex law that many many loopholes exist that people like Nokia will use...
Only in so much that the GPL is a creative use of copyright law.

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
...what is Nokia giving in return?
I already answered that. You made a "Santa" comment in reply.
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