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2010-05-03
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Hmm, there might be a quicker way, but try switching the input language to German, go to the virtual keyboard, hit the symbols tab, and you should have it there.
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2010-05-03
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I thought ß was deprecated in the German language and easily replaced with double-s? And how ü, ö were replaceable with ue and oe?
Ich habe zuviel Deutsche vergessen.
Ich habe zuviel Deutsche vergessen.
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2010-05-03
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Gerbick, not really. They changed the spelling rules a few years ago, and according to the new spelling (which I don't use because it's not logical 
...), you use the 'ß' in fewer cases than before. It's still there, though, and it's a spelling mistake if you use 'ss' where 'ß' should be used.
You're right that ae/oe/ue are accepted workarounds for ä/ö/ü when you don't habe the respective umlauts on your keyboard (or need to write plain ASCII). The same way, 'ss' is used to replace 'ß'. - The problem with these approaches is that while it's readable, it looks clumsy and unprofessional. So if you have any chance to avoid these workarounds, do it.
(Plus: While 'ae' instead of 'ä' will always be recognized as "the person did not have 'ä' on his/her keyboard", 'ss' instead of 'ß' may be mistaken as a spelling mistake if there's not enough context around to make it clear it was used on purpose. So... one more reason to do it right.)
...), you use the 'ß' in fewer cases than before. It's still there, though, and it's a spelling mistake if you use 'ss' where 'ß' should be used.You're right that ae/oe/ue are accepted workarounds for ä/ö/ü when you don't habe the respective umlauts on your keyboard (or need to write plain ASCII). The same way, 'ss' is used to replace 'ß'. - The problem with these approaches is that while it's readable, it looks clumsy and unprofessional. So if you have any chance to avoid these workarounds, do it.
(Plus: While 'ae' instead of 'ä' will always be recognized as "the person did not have 'ä' on his/her keyboard", 'ss' instead of 'ß' may be mistaken as a spelling mistake if there's not enough context around to make it clear it was used on purpose. So... one more reason to do it right.)
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2010-05-03
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Fn+Ctrl=Sym [Symbols table]
That gives you access to ß and other nice characters.
That gives you access to ß and other nice characters.
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Thanks a ton. I just handed in some documentation and was hit with "You're still using the German S" by... the Germans of all people. I still use it, too many years of knowing words with it than the double-s. I have, at times though switched to ue when I'm in a rush in my code comments because it made more sense for me - I can parse that easier.
Gerbick, not really. They changed the spelling rules a few years ago, and according to the new spelling (which I don't use because it's not logical
You're right that ae/oe/ue are accepted workarounds for ä/ö/ü when you don't habe the respective umlauts on your keyboard (or need to write plain ASCII). The same way, 'ss' is used to replace 'ß'. - The problem with these approaches is that while it's readable, it looks clumsy and unprofessional. So if you have any chance to avoid these workarounds, do it.
(Plus: While 'ae' instead of 'ä' will always be recognized as "the person did not have 'ä' on his/her keyboard", 'ss' instead of 'ß' may be mistaken as a spelling mistake if there's not enough context around to make it clear it was used on purpose. So... one more reason to do it right.)
Thanks for the reply. Very insightful. And please excuse me from delineating this thread from helping out the OP. That was not my intention.
Tschüß
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by gerbick
The problem is that I like to map for OpenStreetMap and if you want to map a streetname that is ÄÖÜßäöü you can't writ AeOeUessaeoeue nobody will find it :-/ ok bad example but the word "Straße" is used very often (german for street).
I thought ß was deprecated in the German language and easily replaced with double-s? And how ü, ö were replaceable with ue and oe?
Originally Posted by Venemo
Thanks I know that the dots above aou can be found there... but no ß :-(
Fn+Ctrl=Sym [Symbols table]
That gives you access to ß and other nice characters.
and about the "still using ß?" i like this letter. some words would have 3s in it, if you follow the new way of spelling. and that looks totally odd. by side I heard that some people in Switzerland also use the ß again, even if there government said that the letter is obsolete.
simply because you can use to short ss or sz in text messages.
by the way if i remember it right they replaced the ß by sz, everywhere in the german speaking areas they replaced the ß with ss.
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by assetburned
sz is probably historically correct; wikipedia has an excellent article:
by the way if i remember it right they replaced the ß by sz, everywhere in the german speaking areas they replaced the ß with ss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eszet
because of he pronunciation, people would find ss more natural i guess. reading 'sz' makes you think "strastse" instead of "strasse"
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Ironically, according to the new spelling rules in German, "tschüß" is now spelled "tschüss", since "ü" in this case is a short vowel. You don't stress the "ü" when you pronounce the word "tschüss".
Thanks for the reply. Very insightful. And please excuse me from delineating this thread from helping out the OP. That was not my intention.
Tschüß
"Straße" however, (street) is still spelled with an "ß" because the "a" before the "ß" is a long vowel.
So yeah there is actually the importance to write an "ß" on non-German keyboards.
Maybe somebody could file a bugzilla request and add "ß" to the Symbols list?
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2010-05-03
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Hmm,
for me as a german, it is quite simple to enter "ß".
But .. i wonder about your mapping software ... Sygic has found a smart way .. i always enter ue ae and ss .. and Sygic replaces it for me.
for me as a german, it is quite simple to enter "ß".
But .. i wonder about your mapping software ... Sygic has found a smart way .. i always enter ue ae and ss .. and Sygic replaces it for me.
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just a quicky. any idea how i can type the german letter ß ?
cu assetburned