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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by mrojas
You cannot tell me they didn't market the N900 like it was "THE" device to have. They made it seem as if the phone was going to be great. We need only to look at the N95 8gb to see it. Wasn't that phone marketed as a mobile computer? So it would only make sense that if you like Nokia products and you didn't buy the N96 or the N97 that the N900 would be the logical choice. Don't get me wrong, I think that it is better than most but some of the problems that plague the platform are deal breakers for most. I drive a lot in Chicago and I would always lament having to keep the n95 in the car to see if there is traffic somewhere. I have to actually surf the web to find stuff close to me as opposed to "having an app for that."-All this while driving is hard, dangerous, and wreckless(by me). They might not be holding it back just because but they are losing customers and showing themselves in an unflattering light- whether intentional or not.
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by Rauha
It already did. Harmattan is a kinda-sorta MeeGo, so it's more of a 4.5 of 5 than a finalized platform evolutionary path..
Hopefully the Intel/Meego stuff does not add 6th step for the plan, or soon we'll have one of those twelve step programs.
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Originally Posted by jnwi
Except the whole reason Maemo doesn't have these features and isn't a polished platform is because of the missing support from management. Nobody can honestly believe it'd take 6 years to ship a well-polished device with reasonable resources.
I don't know if you're right or not, but there are plenty of plausible explanations for that. We know they didn't have enough N900's to sell at that point, and without features like MMS you really don't want the hype-following crowd to buy your device without doing any research. There's enough anger as it is.
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by gom4381
I guess that depends on location as well.
You cannot tell me they didn't market the N900 like it was "THE" device to have. .
At the time I didn't see any marketing for N900 apart from some viral on-line stuff. It was basicly targeted for geeks. Meanwhile N97 Mini, X6 and Comes With Music was plastered on sides of trams and busses, street sign marketing, television ads, etc.
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by nicola.mfb
Not for Nokia, the market they address, they way they do it, and their corporate paradigms.
Nokia wastes resources in too many things, symbian, maemo, meego, and a huge list of iron pieces called cellular phones.
In the new millennium hardware is secondary to os, apps and market, and I wonder why that simple principe is so difficult to understand.
The big problem here is that people try to shoe-horn Nokia into turning Apple and that's not gonna happen. Period. Apple is The Beatles, you can't be the Beatles again without looking silly. If something, Nokia wants to be Led Zeppelin.
And this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=262.
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by mrojas
Which company is The Clash? I wanna buy their phone.
Not for Nokia, the market they address, they way they do it, and their corporate paradigms.
The big problem here is that people try to shoe-horn Nokia into turning Apple and that's not gonna happen. Period. Apple is The Beatles, you can't be the Beatles again without looking silly. If something, Nokia wants to be Led Zeppelin.
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by mrojas
Well, I do not understand what do you mean here, and feel lost
Not for Nokia, the market they address, they way they do it, and their corporate paradigms.
The big problem here is that people try to shoe-horn Nokia into turning Apple and that's not gonna happen. Period. Apple is The Beatles, you can't be the Beatles again without looking silly. If something, Nokia wants to be Led Zeppelin.
And this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=262.
I appreciate the contents of that blog, but simply want to report that at least between my friends the ones having money buyed an iphone, the ones not having money dream to buy an iphone, a couple of them (mee too) buyed the n900 after the openmoko freerunner death.
Others are (young) guys that own a 50euro nokia and have not interest in smartphones/computer at all, but trust me, one iphone user impacts on the market more than 10 of that young guys sending sms or buying ring tones for a maximum of 50 euros/year.
It may be I know bad people
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by attila77
The only explanation is that it was not a very profitable device. Eg costs X, but can only sell at X + Y. Compared to other cheaper product lines, the profit margin could not be justified with limited resources unless it sold crazy crazy number of units..
The problem with that perspective is that if you *know* you have a product that is so sought after (exceeding expectations for several generations), why not dedicate more resources to it and, you know, ride the wave, instead of holding it back ? As long as Nokia has to be defensive about and hold back the very products that are supposed to turn the tide, Maemo/MeeGo will not fulfil it's true potential. I agree with Qole - the strategic choices were generally right, it's just that it seems that they are always somehow happening a year or two after they could have happened (looking at it from the outside and with 20/20 hindsight, obviously).
Alternatively, the entire Nokia management might be just 'waiting out for their pensions' and don't want to rock the boat...
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2010-05-03
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Originally Posted by jnwi
Are you sure it's not all those large numbers of people who USED to own a Nokia product and felt the frustrating burn from incredibly bad support (phone, repairs, parts, communications, etc.) and a company that tried to tell consumers what products they wanted instead of listening to customers to build the products they wanted. Just in my circle of influence, I know that I convinced a lot of people to buy Nokia for a time and now they and I have been burned so badly that we can't, in good consciousness, tell anyone to buy Nokia--and in fact, I'm quite intent to make it known what they should expect for communication and support to dissuade purchasing.
Kallasvuo may indeed be fired to appease shareholders, but it would be "unfair" in the sense that we'll have a much better view of the situation when the N8 reaches consumers and the Harmattan device is revealed.
Right now people are angry based on one prototype preview written in really bad taste.
Should Nokia have changed its course sooner? Yes. But why punish someone when the changes are finally starting to bear fruit? For his sake, I hope people have just a bit more patience and that S^3 and MeeGo are as good as they should be.
Word of mouth is a much harder thing to fix. Nokia would be wise to come out and apologize to customers and make it their mission to listen, for once, and provide customers with what they want--even if there's a cost to it, people would LIKE to have support and options so that they don't feel abandoned with their purchase.
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Originally Posted by nicola.mfb
That is precisely one of the points of the blog I just linked:
one iphone user impacts on the market more than 10 of that young guys sending sms or buying ring tones for a maximum of 50 euros/year.
Faster than a locomotive, leap over giant buildings - yes, its... SMS! Text messaging has twice the users of email, twice the size of television: " SMS text messaging passed 100 Billion dollars in annual revenues two years ago and has now passed 113 Billion dollars in annual revenues for 2009. How big is that? For context, the global music industry is worth about 20 Billion dollars. Hollywood box office revenues are about 25 Billion dollars. Videogaming software income and console sales, combined, are worth about 40 Billion dollars." (this is the reason makers push the QWERTY phones, btw).
And for the app obsessed:
The Apps Stores are as irrelevant to mobile telecoms as Segway is to cars with more key paragraphs:
"Today apps stores are trivial - trivial - in total income to the industry. Trivial. No. I can't accept that. Trivial is far too positive a word. LESS THAN TRIVIAL. For those geeks and nerds who obsess about smartphones daily, and who can recite all versions of all operating systems and their launch dates, then yes, we may perhaps PERHAPS want to look into apps stores a couple of times per year."
"Yankee Group measured in 2009 that the total value of all apps sold in all Apps Stores, not just the Apple iPhone App Store was worth 343 million dollars. I do not mean to belittle some number that is hundreds of millions of dollars worldwide, and yes, its a very attractive opportuntiy for any application developer."
"That 343 million total value of all apps store sales globally in 2009, compares to 5 BILLION dollars of annual income for one category of downloaded content of paid mobile service worldwide - get this - the ringing tone (says Juniper Research). I do not mean full track downloads to phones, not 'real tones' type of better quality ringing tones and am not talking about 'ringback tones' - each of which is also worth over a billlion dollars for mobile content by the way. No, basic ringing tones are worth 5 Billion dollars all by themselves.
Just one '*****ic' type of ultra-simplistic cellphone content type, the basic 'ploink-ploink' style ringing tone, that is downloaded roughly speaking by about ten percent of global cellphone owners, earns 14 times more than ALL app stores worldwide, not just Apple's. (and yes, you read it right, basic dumb ringing tones sell more than 2.5X more than all iTunes music sales worldwide annually)." (Now you see why the Ovi Store is full of those?).
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