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2010-05-24
, 22:42
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#72
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Originally Posted by MiK546
Funny and sad at the same time.
So this all actually means that after we said that iPhone sucks because it doesn't have flash, we suddenly are at the same side. Funny...
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2010-05-24
, 22:48
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@ London
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#73
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Originally Posted by Konceptz
Yes, don't forget flash 10.1 is not only video GPU acceleration. It's bitmap processing and vector drawing. If your content in Flash will be designed in Flash 10.1 in mind will get even better results. For now 10.1 betta is not even finished version and trying to interpret the old content the best way possible. For example if you drawing simple square using Flash 10.0 methods Flash 10.1 will use triangulation to interpret this shape as 2 triangles and pass data to the GPU or even Vector Processor Unit instead of processor. That will speed up a lot of drawings in this case. If you are still using old Flash 9 techniques I am not really sure I can see the advantage. If AVM2 needs to guess the content type will consume more resources. If will know this from code point of view doesn't need to guess. Passing all of vector data straight away to GPU.
I have both the Nexus One and the N900.
Nexus is running Android 2.2 and Flash 10.1 beta.
N900 is running RC 1.2 clocked at 1Ghz.
I've noticed that many flash games are harder to play on the Nexus without the software mouse. The speed of flash, however, is much faster on the N1, which renders many of those same games unplayable on the N900.
I'm just reporting my usage for some games, not in depth and certainly not an apples to apples review.
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2010-05-24
, 22:57
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@ Pennsylvania, USA
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#74
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Originally Posted by kyllerbuzcut
We've been down that road before without success, but it's a simple edit, so feel free to have a go. Please just remember to save a unedited copy of the Flash plugin so you can revert to it.
Is there any way to program something into the existing flash support so that it reports back to a website, telling it that it is really flash10.1?
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2010-05-24
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#75
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Originally Posted by ysss
The HTML5 spec doesn't define DRM or any other form of rights management, which is important to sites such as Hulu, and it is why Hulu continue to stand behind Flash because it does support rights management. HTML5, right now, is most definitely not Flash - Flash is so much more than HTML5.
To me, flash provides:
1. Video streaming
2. Graphically rich web UI
3. Other multimedia content (games, slideshow, etc)
Since this thread is about (1), my question still stands.
It seems to me html5 can take care of #1 and #2 just fine. I don't know how html5 handles #3, but I don't use those much anyway and would rather block (and optionally view) those type of contents.
BBC iPlayer (a popular Flash based site in the UK serving the last 7 days of BBC copyright content) would be unable to move to HTML5 for the same reason as Hulu.
If all you want is free, unencumbered video streaming then yeah, HTML5 can handle that, more or less, although the additional streaming protocol support in Flash would tend to suggest it is still the superior streaming solution, DRM or not.
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2010-05-24
, 23:21
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#76
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Originally Posted by Milhouse
No in this economy... where every one need to earn some money and every company as well to keep our world running. We have to wait for UTOPIA to make a free of charge the best technologies available on the market and make everyone happy. I bet even my 2 years old son will not get to this point, but at least there is a little chance for my grand son...
The HTML5 spec doesn't define DRM or any other form of rights management, which is important to sites such as Hulu, and it is why Hulu continue to stand behind Flash because it does support rights management. HTML5, right now, is most definitely not Flash - Flash is so much more than HTML5.
BBC iPlayer (a popular Flash based site in the UK serving the last 7 days of BBC copyright content) would be unable to move to HTML5 for the same reason as Hulu.
If all you want is free, unencumbered video streaming then yeah, HTML5 can handle that, more or less, although the additional streaming protocol support in Flash would tend to suggest it is still the superior streaming solution, DRM or not.
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2010-05-24
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#77
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Originally Posted by devu
Exactly.
No in this economy... where every one need to earn some money and every company as well to keep our world running. We have to wait for UTOPIA to make a free of charge the best technologies available on the market and make everyone happy. I bet even my 2 years old son will not get to this point, but at least there is a little chance for my grand son...
The lack of DRM in HTML5, which is an absolute necessity for certain content - usually, the better content - to be made freely available on the web, is just one more reason why Jobs is talking out of his bunghole. But this is all getting a bit OT - hopefully this now clears up some of the confusion regarding HTML5 and Flash.
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2010-05-25
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#78
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Talk is cheap. This is the wrong place to get heard, we need to act. I propose increasing political pressure towards Nokia by creating a formal petition considering Flash 10 on the N900. I'm sure there will be several thousands of signatures. Who is willing to create such a document?
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2010-05-25
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#79
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Originally Posted by geneven
Ari Jaaksi just updated his blog and reiterated the line that the N900 supports full flash.
Give me a break! Nokia made a big deal about the N900 supporting flash. This was after YEARS of criticizing flash, so it was a notable shift in point of view.
Now your buyer is supposed to stop and say, oh, but what version of flash is the N900 supporting? I bet that if I surveyed smartphone users today, 90% of them would not know what version of flash is in current use.
So abandoning flash support on the N900 so soon is downright scummy, if you ask me.
http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/05/12-out-tomorrow.html
Saying Full Flash is not very truthful IMO. The N900 only has Flash 9.4 and many sites are now requiring 10. Android has full flash. The N900 HAD full flash. If Nokia wants to update it, there are plenty of people anxious to see that happen.
We saw a version of Flash 10 running on the N900 in October. And Adobe has publicly stated that it has made available all necessary tools to port it to other platforms, so what is the hold up? Can you at least make an announcement as to if/when we can expect to see it?
Other Nokia Maemo devices shipped with full flash versions that were on the edge of being deprecated at time of release and never received updates to keep them usable. If you don't bother to keep Flash up to date, then you don't deserve the bullet point for marketing purposes.
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2010-05-25
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#80
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Flash 10.1 on froyo looks pretty buggy and slow ...
http://pocketnow.com/software-1/vide...and-comparison
This actually supports Jobs' attack that Flash was too slow for mobile. Especially in 2007 (pre-cortex A8) when it mattered more to them (iPhone 1.0).
http://pocketnow.com/software-1/vide...and-comparison
This actually supports Jobs' attack that Flash was too slow for mobile. Especially in 2007 (pre-cortex A8) when it mattered more to them (iPhone 1.0).
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Nexus is running Android 2.2 and Flash 10.1 beta.
N900 is running RC 1.2 clocked at 1Ghz.
I've noticed that many flash games are harder to play on the Nexus without the software mouse. The speed of flash, however, is much faster on the N1, which renders many of those same games unplayable on the N900.
I'm just reporting my usage for some games, not in depth and certainly not an apples to apples review.