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GeraldKo is offline GeraldKo
2010-05-25 , 23:51
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#211
sjgadsby is correct. N900 was associated with Maemo 5 and there were expressly no guarantees that it would support the successor to Maemo 5. Maemo 5 was always the penultimate step in getting to the real crowd-worthy Maemo. Yes, things changed in that now Nokia is heading onto the MeeGo track. But all along, the N900 was still part of a sort of long-term beta program that began with the 770. The next step in the Maemo evolution was the one that was to have real longevity. (Which is one reason why I stayed with the N8x0 series.)
 
SirMuttley is offline SirMuttley
2010-05-26 , 00:45
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#212
Wow, hardly surprising news.

I for one am glad.

It means nokia can concentrate on giving the best support for future hardware, not wasting time supporting legacy hardware that already has it's own OS to start with.

Everyone wants something for free these days.
 
SirMuttley is offline SirMuttley
2010-05-26 , 00:51
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Originally Posted by Brock View Post
i think the reason why most of us are so disapointed about this news is that nokia told us, that the nokia n900 will be the first device of many following in the future with the (new) os maemo 5 which will be THE os for the next high end devices... that was an official statement before the n900 was released... and that is a lie! meego will be the new os and without the support of meego for n900 it is still a lie...
Nokia never said that the N900 would get Maemo 6, so what difference does it make if it doesn't get Meego?

The only OS Nokia promised for the N900 was Maemo 5.

I still don't get why people are getting so upset about this.
 
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Grok is offline Grok
2010-05-26 , 01:04
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#214
Once upon a time, I purchased a computer with Windows 98se installed and it came with a coupon for free copy of Windows ME (when released)...........I didn`t use the coupon.

Time passed, and I purchased a shiny new note book with a copy of Windows XP installed it too came with a coupon, this time for Windows Vista! Nope didn`t get that either.

I`m not putting MeeGo in the same class as those other clunkers, but I am skeptical of the unreleased OS. I always like to give new OS`s a chance to be digested by the public at large before I jump on them. If by chance, it is the best thing since sliced bread, then I`ll re-visit MeeGo. In the meantime I will continue to enjoy maemo`s strengths.
 
TheLongshot is offline TheLongshot
2010-05-26 , 01:40
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#215
Like I said... not many people know that in the recently released areas. And here, 6 months after the release of the N900; you have a seriously dead end phone. That's a new record in any potential phone I was interested in.
Given your logic, the N900 was dead in the water before it was released, considering that work on Harmatten was known at that time. I wouldn't be shocked if that was a big reason why you decided to pass on the N900.

That being said, a Meego device isn't all that close to being released. In the meantime, apps need to be written for the device. With Maemo having the same framework and strongly related to the core of Maemo, it makes a good starting platform for these applications.

Until a comporable Meego product is announced, the N900 isn't "dead". Even when that does happen doesn't mean that the device is useless.

In the meantime, I will continue to enjoy my device. When a new device comes out, I may consider it. But it won't be because the N900 is "dead".
 
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ed00 is offline ed00
2010-05-26 , 01:42
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#216
AAVA will be next device that will fully support MeeGo http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/N...a-Mobile-Aava/
 
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2010-05-26 , 01:51
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#217
When this Aava is expected to be released? Looks much better than Nokia's designs.
 
nosa101 is offline nosa101
2010-05-26 , 01:59
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When this Aava is expected to be released? Looks much better than Nokia's designs.
Nevuary 1st?

Looks like vapourware to me
 
geohsia is offline geohsia
2010-05-26 , 02:05
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Originally Posted by SirMuttley View Post
Nokia never said that the N900 would get Maemo 6, so what difference does it make if it doesn't get Meego?

The only OS Nokia promised for the N900 was Maemo 5.

I still don't get why people are getting so upset about this.
True, Harmattan was never promised. What was disconcerting was that a large number of legitimate bugs / issues that were prevalent in Maemo 5 were pushed to Harmattan. You can track the bug submissions. Disappointing. Usually people do that at the end of a product cycle of at least a year or two. This was done after months.

Not a good track record for support.

While at the same time MeeGo gets announced that will superceed Maemo 6 / Harmattan / (soon to be called MeeGo 1.0).

So while the world only had Maemo 5 and 6 there was some potential that the support life of Maemo 5 would extend more than just a few months. With the advent of MeeGo (Maemo + Moblin) and them just renaming Maemo 6 to MeeGo 1.0 the likelihood of support for Maemo 5 for the next year is just wishful thinking at this point.

I don't know if this was speculation but we were told that a lot of people on the Maemo team have moved to MeeGo. Not a surprise really. Great, for MeeGo. Sucks to be us.

I hate harping on this but Adobe 10.1 which was promised so long ago and was a huge selling point is still not available and there is no indication that Nokia will deliver it. I think that is a good indication of the level of commitment they have for Maemo 5. We knew that Maemo 5 was rough around the edges but the goal was to iterate it and make it better. Now they're just putting it on life support.

If Nokia said, "Don't worry we will continue to support Maemo 5 with updates and feature enhancements for the next year or two" I think many would not be so concerned about having Harmattan (MeeGo 1.0). But that's not going to happen. Nokia is trying to get out Symbian ^3 and ^4 AND also going to support Maemo 5 and 6 (MeeGo 1.0) and MeeGo (Maemo + Moblin)? Nokia is a big company but not that big and not in todays competitive world.

Short of Nokia re-dedicating publicly to the Maemo product the only option left for us to make sure that we have support that lasts more than a few months and so Maemo 6 / MeeGo 1.0 is our shot at lasting support.

If the delays in 1.2 are any indication, Nokia has deprecated the N900 and Maemo 5 and put it on the back burner of support. I can go on all day about how hard it is to make these releases but I would bet you good money if people hadn't left for MeeGo the delay would surely not have been a long.

I'm not saying that focusing on MeeGo is a bad decision. I just want to make sure that we get the right level of attention and right now jumping on the MeeGo bandwagon is the only way we'll get a little love from Nokia. I'd love to be proven otherwise.
 
Sarcastic_Twit is offline Sarcastic_Twit
2010-05-26 , 03:15
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#220
Originally Posted by geohsia View Post
True, Harmattan was never promised. What was disconcerting was that a large number of legitimate bugs / issues that were prevalent in Maemo 5 were pushed to Harmattan. You can track the bug submissions. Disappointing. Usually people do that at the end of a product cycle of at least a year or two. This was done after months.

Not a good track record for support.

While at the same time MeeGo gets announced that will superceed Maemo 6 / Harmattan / (soon to be called MeeGo 1.0).

So while the world only had Maemo 5 and 6 there was some potential that the support life of Maemo 5 would extend more than just a few months. With the advent of MeeGo (Maemo + Moblin) and them just renaming Maemo 6 to MeeGo 1.0 the likelihood of support for Maemo 5 for the next year is just wishful thinking at this point.

I don't know if this was speculation but we were told that a lot of people on the Maemo team have moved to MeeGo. Not a surprise really. Great, for MeeGo. Sucks to be us.

I hate harping on this but Adobe 10.1 which was promised so long ago and was a huge selling point is still not available and there is no indication that Nokia will deliver it. I think that is a good indication of the level of commitment they have for Maemo 5. We knew that Maemo 5 was rough around the edges but the goal was to iterate it and make it better. Now they're just putting it on life support.

If Nokia said, "Don't worry we will continue to support Maemo 5 with updates and feature enhancements for the next year or two" I think many would not be so concerned about having Harmattan (MeeGo 1.0). But that's not going to happen. Nokia is trying to get out Symbian ^3 and ^4 AND also going to support Maemo 5 and 6 (MeeGo 1.0) and MeeGo (Maemo + Moblin)? Nokia is a big company but not that big and not in todays competitive world.

Short of Nokia re-dedicating publicly to the Maemo product the only option left for us to make sure that we have support that lasts more than a few months and so Maemo 6 / MeeGo 1.0 is our shot at lasting support.

If the delays in 1.2 are any indication, Nokia has deprecated the N900 and Maemo 5 and put it on the back burner of support. I can go on all day about how hard it is to make these releases but I would bet you good money if people hadn't left for MeeGo the delay would surely not have been a long.

I'm not saying that focusing on MeeGo is a bad decision. I just want to make sure that we get the right level of attention and right now jumping on the MeeGo bandwagon is the only way we'll get a little love from Nokia. I'd love to be proven otherwise.
Flash 10.1 probably won't be "... about ensuring that you have the best possible experience designed for the features on your Nokia N900 device". Steve Jobs would be proud.
 

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