@devu: what's your point? your post illustrates yet more effect of globalization and how the free market works. these elements flow like water (supply, demand, etc); they fill up the gaps to create equilibrium in the long run.

workers 'flow' to where they can get higher pay.
orders 'flow' to where they can be done for cheaper. etc.

Just go your own way and don't become one of this mainstream persons who are mind controlled by the bigger companies. You see what can happen else.

If you bought a N900 instead of a iPhone then you are on a good way :P

And when you lack official support, then what?

I'm sorry if my post wasn't clear enough.
But my point is you have to remove the 1st word from "free market".
Democracy, Communism, any other type of government we know is only ideology that will give you something to believe same as religion centuries ago. But these days there is not such think as freedom. Democracy never existed if you stick to the definition of democracy itself. We are living in the Corpocracy. This same people and companies are earning money since 2 countries killing each other at war. Giving you enemies sometimes only imagination of enemies to generate fear and use it as perfect tool against you. They using pretty much the same technique as programmers. Divide and win! Are we majority over them?
No. As many religions, ideas, movements as easier for them to control us. Because no matter how many of you will agree with me. I'm sure there is more groups that disagree with me. And I'm sure each group will face this same problem. Globalization from their point of view is another fear generator. I don't want this kind of globalization under their control anyway.

My story is no only one Illustration. I'm pretty sure everyone here can find some example in his own country, how much corporation affect his life. Millions of people lost their lives because of corporations during last 100 years. I just don't like this b***it if you getting one suicide person example and pointing on one particular company as the only evil. This only provide to the further division.

Is my English so bad?
You completely misunderstood me if you think I'm taking any corporation side here. I'm against whole corporation world that causing all of the social problems around the world. My own way is for sure no main stream. I wish but is not...

Are you calling freedom, when you have to make the most difficult decision in your life, abandon your country and family, all you know and love and go to another country to be able to survive?

Are you calling freedom if workers jumping through the window because of crisis, can't see the hope for future because they already lost millions not even millions that belonged to them?

Are you calling freedom if you want to have your own place to live or house you HAVE to take a loan and automatically became slave for next 30 years?

Are you calling freedom if you need to pay taxed for CO2 that was mostly generated by people who want this tax from you?

I can give you thousands of examples like that.
You don't have to say to anybody you are free if they truly are.
They now that. So...

The last act of freedom and the only free choice they had was suicide.
And this is sad only.

Open Source community here? Really? I've been always thinking the reason why programmers or customers joined Open Source movement is more ideological and life style rather than random event. Or lack of money. But what I clearly see now, even Open Source is slowly being overtaken by corporations as well. The day when internet will be overtaken by corps we all end up in Orwell-like world. This is sad that 30 years ago 1984 Movie was shown as model of Communism and now so perfectly illustrates the Corpocration on top of capitalism.

I don't expect that even 5% of you understand what I'm talking about here. But this also illustrate our civilization state of mind. Wake the f**k up people please...

devu, your mind is your own prison.

Weak mind is your prison...

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publi...on/index.shtml

Do a math how many people are suicide in US every single day.
And they are not Apple workers right? But living in the best system in the world full of freedom...

Hey you two... how about this.

Suicide = bad.

I think we all can agree with that, right?

It's hard to disagree with you . I'm pointing only what is a reason behind. Also understand that is more important to act rather than pointing to any particular institution. Problem is more complex, but I believe is up to us, every single person around a world, can change that if stop looking at his mobile device only... for more of us is more important when PR 1.3 will come...

If you wanted to commiserate, you would have to fully know the mentality of the factory workers in China.

I've lived in Japan and have been to China quite a few times. I'll be honest, even that exposure is not enough for me to say that I understand fully what is going on. True, their pay is honestly low as hell to a westerner. But in those areas, they're making enough to send back to their families/relatives that are still in the rural areas.

Do I condone those conditions just to get a shiny new pair of Nike's or the next gadget? Hell no. Do I understand what would drive a person to jump off a building? Hell no. And I've been there.

So to try to get into conversation of why these people are doing it, you have to know their side, from their point of view and be able to eloquently state it where it's universally understood. That's not happening in this thread unfortunately.

Not yet at least. So why not start at what you do know... suicide is indeed bad and go from there?

I read the article and also the accompanying blog. It reads like propoganda to me.

Of course the kid on the rubbish dump would rather work in a sweatshop. So would any rational person. The posts by devu, hardkorek and ndi express this idea far better than the article does in my opinion.

What bothers me is the false dichotomy, either live in a "Dante-like vision of hell" or enrich a corporation in a sweatshop. Worker controlled industries or any non corporatist solution will never exist for the NY Times and its ilk.