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2007-08-20
, 18:45
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#52
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Originally Posted by Liam1
You're obviously not used to embedded devices with far more limited resources than the average laptop. Remember, the N800 has only 128MB of RAM (more if you use virtual memory) and the CPU probably isn't even as fast as a Pentium 3. So yeah... your laptop will pull up the full file list in a snap and yes, apps take a few seconds to launch. This is expected. Again, it's the tradeoff you make when you decide that a laptop is far too big for you and it's a tradeoff I happily make. Perhaps you would have been better off just sticking to laptops as your expectations are WAY too high.
Okay, lets end all the negative vibes.
Lets make the conversation more civil.
Is there a way to upgrade the capabilities of the n800? I'm not talking about the software, I'm talking about the hardware itself, so that in my case, I would not think of it as underpowered. I doubt there is a way, but maybe some smart guy has found a way to do something about it.
To open an application, the n800 still pauses for a few secs before it opens up, even the relatively simple mplayer application. To start an mp3, or a video, that will take up another few seconds. I have my browser home page as blank, and it still takes 3 secs to open up fully (with the mozilla engine).
The file manager takes a full 8 seconds to list my 40 songs on my external card, and maybe thats because my external card is a class 2 8 gig. But on a laptop with a card reader which reads the same card, the file list comes up instantly.
Most of you probably will not be bothered with a second here and there, but if you're used to something faster, its fairly painful to stare at the n800 in 'thinking' mode
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2007-08-20
, 18:54
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@ Oregon
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#53
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Seriously, why do you persist in comparing apples to oranges? The internet tablet isn't positioned against laptop PCs, or even smartphones or UMPCs for that matter, but it would still make more sense if you were to compare against those two categories as they hold much more in common where hardware performance is concerned. And as someone mentioned earlier, not only would heavier duty hardware wreak havoc on battery life, but it would put the price point way out of reach for a lot of people.
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2007-08-20
, 19:14
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#54
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It is however fairly convenient to be the best tablet in its class, by not having a competitor in its class..
Thats why apples and oranges comparisons need to be made. Compare to PDAs, n800 is faster. Compared to laptops, it is slower...I get it.
But my question was, can it be sped up? Judging by the lack of direct response on hardware (with the exception of ZeroJay), nothing can be done on the hard ware side. What about software? Are there attempts by people to make the apps run faster, and not just with more features?
Thats why apples and oranges comparisons need to be made. Compare to PDAs, n800 is faster. Compared to laptops, it is slower...I get it.
But my question was, can it be sped up? Judging by the lack of direct response on hardware (with the exception of ZeroJay), nothing can be done on the hard ware side. What about software? Are there attempts by people to make the apps run faster, and not just with more features?
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2007-08-20
, 19:24
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@ Helsinki, Finland
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#55
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Having worked on internet tablets since 2004 I was initially interested by this thread, hoping to find some useful comments by the users of my daily work (which i consider a privilege, not many jobs give the same opportunity) but by the time i got through half of the thread i got extremely disappointed. I'm a casual reader of this website, but unfortunately, be it poor choice or bad luck, most of the times i end up in useless debates. Considering that many of the people writing on this thread are Senior Members, I would have expected something more.
Probably I'll be better sticking to the maemo.org
Pity.
Probably I'll be better sticking to the maemo.org
Pity.
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2007-08-20
, 19:27
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Originally Posted by iball
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Actually, it is flamebait. If you would just dig a little deeper into those "n800 toy" search results
Searching the internet for pages to prove an assertion never works well anyway, since you can find pages about anything, e.g. "water is poisonous" gets 12,000 hits on google. Even "water is made of metal" gets two hits!
N800 toy gets 307,000 results, but n800 cheese manages to get 140,000, so what is being proved, exactly?
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2007-08-20
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#57
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Maybe there's something in the internettabletalk.com bylaws stating you must never defame or criticize the N800?
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2007-08-20
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@ New Mexico, USA
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#58
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For some the N800 is slow...
For others the N800 is fast...
No one really cares what someone earns...
Stop playing the "Mines Bigger Than Yours" game...
Get over yourselves and move on...
And Liam, you were bashing...
Nuf said...
Omega
For others the N800 is fast...
No one really cares what someone earns...
Stop playing the "Mines Bigger Than Yours" game...
Get over yourselves and move on...
And Liam, you were bashing...
Nuf said...
Omega
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2007-08-20
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@ Houston
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critccritcism is always welcome. But there is no point in comparing with a laptop and
criticising then800. The lack of competitors in this price range itself is a great tribute to
the worth of the n800. Give me one other gadget in this price range which does not
have a competitor. It just shows how far ahead nokia is thinking and working in
comparision to the other hardware makers. Kudos to nokia for such an affordable
portable deviceism is always welcome. But there is no point in comparing with a laptop and criticising then800. The lack of competitors in this price range itself is a great tribute to the worth of the n800. Give me one other gadget in this price range which does not have a competitor. It just shows how far ahead nokia is thinking and working in comparision to the other hardware makers. Kudos to nokia for such an affordable portable device
criticising then800. The lack of competitors in this price range itself is a great tribute to
the worth of the n800. Give me one other gadget in this price range which does not
have a competitor. It just shows how far ahead nokia is thinking and working in
comparision to the other hardware makers. Kudos to nokia for such an affordable
portable deviceism is always welcome. But there is no point in comparing with a laptop and criticising then800. The lack of competitors in this price range itself is a great tribute to the worth of the n800. Give me one other gadget in this price range which does not have a competitor. It just shows how far ahead nokia is thinking and working in comparision to the other hardware makers. Kudos to nokia for such an affordable portable device
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2007-08-20
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@ Oregon
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Originally Posted by Liam1
True, but is it Nokia's fault they were first to the market with this concept? Perhaps others will appear in the future and this discussion can take on a perspective from a more even playing field.
It is however fairly convenient to be the best tablet in its class, by not having a competitor in its class..
Originally Posted by Liam1
Fair enough. And I can't answer your last question, but I have to believe that it would almost be unreasonable to think that there aren't devs out there right now trying to find ways to optimize performance on the platform. Only time will tell and I guess we will see when Chinook is eventually released into the wild.
Thats why apples and oranges comparisons need to be made. Compare to PDAs, n800 is faster. Compared to laptops, it is slower...I get it.
But my question was, can it be sped up? Judging by the lack of direct response on hardware (with the exception of ZeroJay), nothing can be done on the hard ware side. What about software? Are there attempts by people to make the apps run faster, and not just with more features?
igor - I do agree that a lot of times these things degenerate into useless debates (and believe me, I've been in my share of them having been a Linux and Mac user for many years) and are generally unproductive. Most usually take on the futility of trying to fill up the Grand Canyon by throwing one brick at a time into it. But hopefully they eventually settle into a measured and constructive debate. I'm still holding out hope for this one.
Originally Posted by Steve O
Criticism can be constructive and I generally have no issues with it as long as it is valid. But defamation (read: unfairly judging a product's merits against those of other platforms against which it was never meant to compete) is where I (and others as well, I suspect) begin to have a problem.
Maybe there's something in the internettabletalk.com bylaws stating you must never defame or criticize the N800?
"It is slower than my laptop obviously but then my bicycle is also slower than my car and I don't find that odd either."