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2010-06-08
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Originally Posted by jnwi
I like what you say but want to qualify it a bit:
Android is receiving more good press because the press can point at specific features, not nebulous concepts.
"Android is receiving more good press because the press can point at specific uses, not nebulous concepts."
Nokia tries selling on feature lists and fails. Buyers glaze over at tech specs. They want to know what it DOES, not what it CAN do.
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2010-06-08
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Originally Posted by Texrat
And, better yet, what it DOES WELL as opposed to what you can "get it to do". I've heard it said that code quality can be measured by "WTFs per page" -- in other words, the number of times someone other than the one who created the code will get confused or frustrated while looking at it. Same thing with technological devices, just not per page.
Nokia tries selling on feature lists and fails. Buyers glaze over at tech specs. They want to know what it DOES, not what it CAN do.
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2010-06-08
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Yes, that's phrased much better. Thanks.
I like what you say but want to qualify it a bit:
"Android is receiving more good press because the press can point at specific uses, not nebulous concepts."
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2010-06-08
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Originally Posted by mymo900
Totally not being rude. Not in the least bit
not being a rude and all. but the benny lad sounds like a tool to me. .
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2010-06-08
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Originally Posted by nosa101
English isn't my native language. I don't understand much of what's going on here
Totally not being rude. Not in the least bit
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2010-06-09
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Originally Posted by benny1967
In the context of the thread, Meego needs some talking points. In the context of the recent posts you mention, then, yes the talking points are all marketing, and as I mentioned, there needs to be something behind the marketing. It may be that a too much is made of hardware that is a little removed from the bleeding edge, it may be that Apple makes out it invented stuff that has been around for years. It may be that the iphone is that beautiful but vacuous blonde you'd spend a night with, but not a lifetime.
Marketing is the issue in the context of the recent posts in this thread. If you re-read:
I said that not being so aggressive with their marketing is not Nokia's weakness (as suggested by someone else here), but their strength - because I wouldn't buy anything that's so hyped as Apple products. Gerbick then answered that this may be true for me - but that I wasn't the typical consumer (which is right). It was this post of his that made me say how Apple fails to attract larger audiences and stays at a relatively mediocre market share... And that this could be - at least partly - because at least some people find their marketing as repellent as I do.
I find it interesting that you mention the emperor's new clothes. You are aware that this is exactly what people still say about the iPhone in particular? Maybe there's a certain group of people who simply fall for this kind of hype and marketing... The same people who want to have expensive, flashy watches and fast cars with a loud bass so the whole suburb can enjoy their music. But in fighting for these people's "mindshare", let's not forget that there are also those who'd rather die than wearing large golden watches with fake diamonds. Have an offer for them, too.
However, all i'm suggesting is that maybe that blonde isn't quite so vacuous, maybe there is a personality there as well. Maybe the emperor is wearing some dandy new threads.
Is it possible that after 3 years and 3 generations of iphone, Apple still managed to sell 8.8 million units in the last 3 months, 17.5 million in the last 6 months compared with Nokia's 21.5 million (smartphone and mobile computer sales) over the last year, when there is nothing but bling under the hood?
Marketing may have been the intial hook for a number of people, but if all it is, is bling, you'd have thought that after three years that might have been exposed and sales would have slowed. Nothing has been exposed, sales continue to gain ground.
as I said before, and in the context of marketing, marketing is only a part of the story with the iphone, there are more factors in play than just that.
Nokia need something to market, they need to create something that they can proudly say (whether right or wrong) will change the way things are. Nokia haven't had a product they can say that about for a while now.
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2010-06-09
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Originally Posted by mymo900
Congrats. This must be either trolloid sarcasm, or the most inconsistent and immature piece of text i read in a long time. I won't even bother to dissect it publicly.
not being a rude and all. but the benny lad sounds like a tool to me. openess and free software. look at apple . they made a beautiful working product. be happy with a VW. maybe becuz u cant afford a bugatti. just dont go pissing about on folks who can drive and afford a bugatti. iphone 4 has more to it than marketing. you cant fool ppl on hype these days. if that was the case we would have a 3rd republicans term.
The corporate world loves short-sighted "pragmatists" like you.
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2010-06-09
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Originally Posted by Freemantle
Is it possible that after 3 years and 3 generations of iphone, Apple still managed to sell 8.8 million units in the last 3 months, 17.5 million in the last 6 months compared with Nokia's 21.5 million (smartphone and mobile computer sales) over the last year, when there is nothing but bling under the hood?
21.5 per year for nokia is wrong i'd say.
sorry that's all wrong - i checked the official reports meanwhile. it seems the blog i got the first numbers from mixed up total device sales and smartphone sales. smartphones for q4 were 15.1 mio. - still the 21.5 per year must be wrong; this number was last given for their q1/2010 smartphone sales.
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2010-06-09
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What's the breakdown of Nokia Symbian versus Maemo though? The numbers are clumped together with zero separation and to me that's a bit misleading since the only real link between Symbian and Maemo is... Qt and Nokia.
Skewing sales to include Symbian is truly misleading when it's really a comparison of Maemo versus iPhone in my opinion. Or at least one I'd love to see broken down to that level at least once.
Skewing sales to include Symbian is truly misleading when it's really a comparison of Maemo versus iPhone in my opinion. Or at least one I'd love to see broken down to that level at least once.
I said that not being so aggressive with their marketing is not Nokia's weakness (as suggested by someone else here), but their strength - because I wouldn't buy anything that's so hyped as Apple products. Gerbick then answered that this may be true for me - but that I wasn't the typical consumer (which is right). It was this post of his that made me say how Apple fails to attract larger audiences and stays at a relatively mediocre market share... And that this could be - at least partly - because at least some people find their marketing as repellent as I do.
I find it interesting that you mention the emperor's new clothes. You are aware that this is exactly what people still say about the iPhone in particular? Maybe there's a certain group of people who simply fall for this kind of hype and marketing... The same people who want to have expensive, flashy watches and fast cars with a loud bass so the whole suburb can enjoy their music. But in fighting for these people's "mindshare", let's not forget that there are also those who'd rather die than wearing large golden watches with fake diamonds. Have an offer for them, too.