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2010-07-15 , 14:06
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#71
Originally Posted by smoku View Post
Well... If you accept the fact that it is unmoddable (it selfdestruct if you try)
and you're left on Motorola mercy forever with no path for community upgrade (much alike with Nokia's NITs) - it's a great device.

I was really waiting for new Milestone XT720 release - it looks like a dream platform to port Maemo/Meego to. But I more than sure, that it is "protected" with selfdestruct hardware too.
And to my knowledge only Nokia and Motorola make OMAP based devices. So, we're really left with whatever crap Nokia has to offer us in the future At least it is basically open crap.
Every phone manufacturer seems to be in love with snapdragon, personally from what i've seen the omap are better.

The droid x is a major letdown if you can't add custom roms. The whole reason of android is to install custom roms.
Hopefully the n9/meego phone will be more rom friendly.

Edit, what are the odds we get an OMAP4430 - 720 MHz dual-core for the n9?
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2010-07-15 , 15:16
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#72
Originally Posted by bxbomber View Post
what are the odds we get an OMAP4430 - 720 MHz dual-core for the n9?
Very slim, virtually zero.
This is not about making customers happy, this is about making money.
Big corporations don't rush into the best available technology, they ease into it, expanding their "lifetime" by continuing to offer upgrades to their previous device.

Prime example: Apple
1) See how the first iPhone lacked 3G when it was an established technology (and all competition had it)
2) See how the iPhone 3G had ARM11 processor (while Cortex A8 was available and the competition closed in on it)
3) See how the iPhone 3GS lacked a good screen and kept it on a low resolution.
4) See how the iPhone 4 has Cortex A8 when they could've easily adopted Cortex A9 architecture, or has other short-comings that could've been prevented (cant think of it now)

Seems like HTC are the fastest in the (phone tech) business, followed by Samsung, then Apple, then Motorola, then LG and others while Nokia is the second slowest, RIM is the slowest and Palm is dead.

Back on topic: Nokia needs to stop playing catch-up or they will become RIM, and they need to have an aggressive tactic to offer leading hardware, leading software and enticing advertising if they're to recover from the 3 year downfall
 
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2010-07-16 , 11:50
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#73
Originally Posted by bxbomber View Post
Every phone manufacturer seems to be in love with snapdragon, personally from what i've seen the omap are better.

The droid x is a major letdown if you can't add custom roms. The whole reason of android is to install custom roms.
Hopefully the n9/meego phone will be more rom friendly.

Edit, what are the odds we get an OMAP4430 - 720 MHz dual-core for the n9?
I just read a major fail (sadly) on Engadget today about the Droid X. Samsung is using a special chip (I think it's hardware side at least) that will brick the device if you try. I hope HTC never goes that route.
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They're maemo and MeeGo...

"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
 
mchu6am4 is offline mchu6am4
2010-07-16 , 13:14
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Originally Posted by Kangal View Post
Very slim, virtually zero.
This is not about making customers happy, this is about making money.
Big corporations don't rush into the best available technology, they ease into it, expanding their "lifetime" by continuing to offer upgrades to their previous device.

Prime example: Apple
1) See how the first iPhone lacked 3G when it was an established technology (and all competition had it)
2) See how the iPhone 3G had ARM11 processor (while Cortex A8 was available and the competition closed in on it)
3) See how the iPhone 3GS lacked a good screen and kept it on a low resolution.
4) See how the iPhone 4 has Cortex A8 when they could've easily adopted Cortex A9 architecture, or has other short-comings that could've been prevented (cant think of it now)

Seems like HTC are the fastest in the (phone tech) business, followed by Samsung, then Apple, then Motorola, then LG and others while Nokia is the second slowest, RIM is the slowest and Palm is dead.

Back on topic: Nokia needs to stop playing catch-up or they will become RIM, and they need to have an aggressive tactic to offer leading hardware, leading software and enticing advertising if they're to recover from the 3 year downfall
+1 Agree about Nokia comment!!!!
 

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wmarone is offline wmarone
2010-07-16 , 17:34
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#75
Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
I just read a major fail (sadly) on Engadget today about the Droid X. Samsung is using a special chip (I think it's hardware side at least) that will brick the device if you try. I hope HTC never goes that route.
DROID X is a Motorola handset.

Clarifications were posted from Motorola, they're using the encrypted bootloader and eFuse to block rooting/3rd party ROMs under the guise of "protecting against malware" but it will not brick the device.

Still crap though.
 
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2010-07-16 , 17:37
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Ah, ok Motorola. Sorry about that (I read the article on the Metro early in the morning). Anyway, I hope other Android manufacturers don't do that.

Edit: And that really is a BS excuse. To root or put custom ROMs on your device you need to do it willingly (granted it's relatively easy with all the Youtube tutorials floating around). So if a user gets malware because of that, well it's their own bloody fault. Just like all those iPhone jailbreakers a while back who got a "virus" because they didn't change their SSH password.
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They're maemo and MeeGo...

"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
 
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2010-07-16 , 17:53
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Originally Posted by Kangal View Post

Back on topic: Nokia needs to stop playing catch-up or they will become RIM, and they need to have an aggressive tactic to offer leading hardware, leading software and enticing advertising if they're to recover from the 3 year downfall

I think Nokia would very much like to be RIM, RIM leads all in north america. it aint the flashiest, but it has tremendous loyalty, large business customers and crazy services lock-in.

Why do you think nokia has an e-series?

Nokia wants to compete against RIM with e-series, iphone/android with n-series, and every other throwaway phone manufacturer with all the lower series.

Stop wishing for Nokia to make just one kind of phone or even more drastically as some have called for only one phone period. It aint gonna happen.

http://communities.bmc.com/communiti...id-catching-up

I think Nokia would swap with RIM in North America in a minute
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2010-07-16 , 18:27
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#78
Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
Clarifications were posted from Motorola, they're using the encrypted bootloader and eFuse to block rooting/3rd party ROMs under the guise of "protecting against malware" but it will not brick the device.
eFuse will not brick the device??!
it's designed to brick the device. On a hardware, non-reversible level.
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2010-07-16 , 20:32
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Originally Posted by smoku View Post
eFuse will not brick the device??!
Depends, was it implemented to brick the device? It can be reprogrammed via JTAG, so it'll do whatever the developer tells it.

it's designed to brick the device.
No, it's designed to be like an FPGA, reprogrammable on the fly.

On a hardware, non-reversible level.
Can you imagine the flurry of lawsuits for selling a device that potentially self-destructs? That wouldn't just be bad, it'd be so unceasingly stupid all other sources of stupidity in the world would be washed away.

It is designed to be reprogrammable on the fly. They could easily use it to brick the device, but I suspect they are employing it simply to disable the device in some fashion, reversible via a restore operation by the user. I suspect even Motorola realizes that destroying a device because the user does something they don't like would open them up to lawsuits.

This continues to be crap though, as does their reasoning for implementing this lock down.
 
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2010-07-16 , 20:47
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http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/07/...try-to-mod-it/
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/d...at-i-know.html

Well... It might be reversible by Motorola service, but:
- I tampered with the device and it bricked. Please unbrick it.
- You void the warranty. Go to hell.
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