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Laughing Man is offline Laughing Man
2010-07-16 , 13:50
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Intel does whatever it takes to make a profit (witnessing the AMD-Intel lawsuit battles). So as long as Meego helps them make a profit (by pushing Intel related hardware) then Intel will help.
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They're maemo and MeeGo...

"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
 

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2010-07-16 , 21:20
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
Intel does whatever it takes to make a profit (witnessing the AMD-Intel lawsuit battles). So as long as Meego helps them make a profit (by pushing Intel related hardware) then Intel will help.
And THAT is fine by me. THEN, at least, it places the onus on them to compete with a better product--likely that will have been shown to be the more open-source friendlier hardware over the years.
 
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2010-07-19 , 15:10
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I've been thinking about this - I know, most won't care, the others will label it as whatever is the newest word for not thinking like them, or whatever... I'm just thinking aloud - and Nokia really should come out with an Android phone.

Why? Because the build of the Nokia Android phone would invariably be better than most of the ones out there. I just held a Samsung Captivate in my hands today and I kept thinking... what if Nokia released a 4" AMOLED Android phone? It'd have a better camera, better build, they'd not have to worry about OS support, that would fall to Google.

Nokia makes great products; OS support, not so much. A front camera, a similar but better built form... Nokia could have one or two Android devices that set new standards.

Why not? I can see it happening.
 

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2010-07-19 , 15:28
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i think by this time next year, Nokia will have an Android phone. I am still waiting for a Front Facing Camera, before i switch over to Android. I placed with the Vibrant yesterday and man i am liking Android every day that goes by.
 
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2010-07-19 , 15:57
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
what if Nokia released a 4" AMOLED Android phone? It'd have a better camera, better build
It may, but the fundamental issues we've had with Maemo wouldn't go away. Everyone would still be complaining about a lack of post-purchase support, which is where Nokia falls down.

they'd not have to worry about OS support, that would fall to Google.
Many hardware vendors are nervous about just that.

Why not? I can see it happening.
- Google is put in a position of power.
- They want to have some sort of uniqueness in their ecosystem.
- They also want to leverage Qt.

I don't see it happening, especially as long as Google has exclusive control over the OS.
 
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2010-07-19 , 16:32
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
It may, but the fundamental issues we've had with Maemo wouldn't go away. Everyone would still be complaining about a lack of post-purchase support, which is where Nokia falls down.
I was talking about Android being alongside their Symbian and MeeGo offerings; not replacing it. I doubt they'd replace MeeGo already - Nokia is fickle, but not that fickle.

- Google is put in a position of power.
Google's going nowhere, Nokia isn't in the same bracket as Google in terms of what they will offer. Nokia loves hardware, Google loves software. Even without Nokia's assistance, Google is already in a position of power; it'll take Microsoft, Yahoo or some yet to be named company to compete with them on those kinds of offerings.

- They want to have some sort of uniqueness in their ecosystem.
So far, I'm not convinced that their uniqueness is something I want to buy into. Sadly, the stock price reflects that more than the whims of the people that like Nokia's uniqueness.

And besides, if they want unique, create their own UI for Android. Worked wonders for HTC.

- They also want to leverage Qt.
Just show how cross-OS viable Qt is... Android port that bad boy.

I don't see it happening, especially as long as Google has exclusive control over the OS.
I don't see it happening either; but they could have a three tiered attack on markets that have forgotten Nokia (North America, Japan) or have been bitten by the Android hype.

I want to make my money back from their gosh darn stock. Steady losing since I purchased it...
 

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2010-07-19 , 16:45
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nokia definitely wants to compete in the mobile services sector(navigation, messaging, sync, etc), not just hardware, so i don't see them being totally OS agnostic enough to use android, which can be heavily dependent on google services without serious customization.

The amount of customization necessary for android to use Qt and integrate nokia services is too steep to forego symbian 4 and meego
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
I was talking about Android being alongside their Symbian and MeeGo offerings; not replacing it. I doubt they'd replace MeeGo already - Nokia is fickle, but not that fickle.
Putting it alongside MeeGo would defeat the purpose of creating MeeGo. Attrition would push users towards the familiar platform, and away from the new one.

Google's going nowhere, Nokia isn't in the same bracket as Google in terms of what they will offer. Nokia loves hardware, Google loves software. Even without Nokia's assistance, Google is already in a position of power; it'll take Microsoft, Yahoo or some yet to be named company to compete with them on those kinds of offerings.
The problem is that right now only Google is in a position to decide the course for Android as a platform. Even if they are not going anywhere any time soon, this lets Google dictate where the platform goes. At least with MeeGo it's tied up with so many involved parties that no one player can determine the course of the whole thing, which I think is Nokia's goal with this. They gain the benefits of pushing even more of the core development outside like with Android, without being under the Google umbrella.

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It just occurred to me. Nokia doesn't want to use Android for the same reason no one else wanted to use Maemo. It was tied to closely to someone perceived as a competitor. And in the mobile information arena, Nokia definitely sees Google's services as competing.
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2010-07-19 , 17:27
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Heh.. not so much daddy issues as much as maybe trust and abandonment issues with Nokia.



I haven't had a lot of exposure to Intel in the way I did with Nokia--but I've seen Intel go both ways. I've seen them work AGAINST open-source sometimes, then work FOR it other times. So, I'm not sure what to think about Intel's involvement.
htc has one of tge biggest reasons I have stsyed away from android. I just dont like their ui layer. Samsung is starting to look more and more like an iphone rip off every day.Then theres samsungs support.

sorry about that. That was towards gerbick.
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2010-07-19 , 17:30
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Why? Because the build of the Nokia Android phone would invariably be better than most of the ones out there. I just held a Samsung Captivate in my hands today and I kept thinking... what if Nokia released a 4" AMOLED Android phone? It'd have a better camera, better build,
And where do they go from there ? Sure, they might get a good quarter or two, but the whole business strategy falls flat on it’s face the very first moment someone puts out something with a decent build or at a significantly cheaper price. Strategies that depend on others doing it wrong are inherently risky.

they'd not have to worry about OS support, that would fall to Google.
I strongly disagree. Google supports their services, not your hardware. That’s why (not) getting FroYo or another Android build is such a fuss. The only handset Google supports is the Nexus One. Other than that, you are at the mercy of your vendor/carrier, or, if you’re lucky enough to have a popular handset with a bootloader that is not locked down, to crafty hackers.
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