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chaoscreater is offline chaoscreater
2010-09-01 , 14:16
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#31
Originally Posted by festivalnut View Post
yes i would like a cookie.

do you even read your own posts? you seem fond of quoting miine as if everyone else was too ******ed to read them first time round, but your own posts are accusing others of flaming trolling and spamming, right before you demonstrate classic textbook examples of each.

obviously you have some sort of qwertial tourrettes and i'd recommend staying away from xterm altogether, never mind as root. oh and forums too, possibly just people in general.
Ironic, ur asking me if i read my own posts while u don't even read urs. I quote just to make it seem obvious for others at how big of a deal ur making this, and yet u and some people still can't read.

Flaming, trolling and spamming? Sure, but not 1/4 as bad as you. Of course there'll be flamming coming from both sides in an argument, u'd be an idiot not to realize that. Trolling doesn't apply as i created this topic. Ur the troll that started all this, and continued to feed the flames. Spamming? Just because no mods or admins decide to take action to close this topic and u keep coming back. Right now, i'm just taking the piss out of u and laughing my *** of and being amused at ur fails.


Funny, ur signature shows that sarcasm is the only wit you have. And yet u can't seem to take much more from me anymore??


Maybe u should re-read both our replies from page 1 to 2, and see how much of an idiot u are, making a big deal out of this whole thing.




Originally Posted by atilla View Post
you started flamin everyone as"troll,spammer,clown,ridicioulos kid and all that stuff just because someone said I HOPE NO.
so here is my answer:
F.u.c.k
y.o.u.r.s.e.l.f

LOL ur a sensitive little troll aint ya?? I was mainly targetting at "festivalnut" and yet u feel insulted somehow even though i ignored u for the most. Ur either an attention whore or just can't seem to express enough or ur rage.

More pew pew, less QQ, fool.


Anything else u wanna say to me? Or r u done with ur fail posts?




It's been fun guys. But i'm done with u both. One idiot tries to prove his innocence because he posted a useless 3 word sentence on page 1, another idiot feels bad for the first guy and rages and spams.


Both are now blocked ignored.


Any reply posted after mine will be considered ineffective and garbage. This warning message is troll proof, idiot proof and ****** proof. Consider urself an illiterate c.u.n.t, should u still choose to post/flame after this message, or quote this message. Any further insults posted against this will be redundant and fail miserably.


Good bye u losers.
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festivalnut is offline festivalnut
2010-09-01 , 14:26
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#32
its making it obvious to others what a special person you are.

o there won't obviously be flaming from both sides, i for one was trying to avoid the argument and keep it as a reasonable debate but i'm afraid your immense immaturity is dragging me down to your level.

i didn't troll, and no, starting a topic does not give you immunity to being a troll. in fact posting a new thread looking for solutions to something thatm has already been solved may well be trolling in itself.

no you're not being sarcastic, just vulgar really.

nd you're making a bigger deal than me while getting angry about it. you said my post was stupid and pointless, i rebutted, you flew off the handle, now who's the idiot getting laughed at here? me or you?
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festivalnut is offline festivalnut
2010-09-01 , 14:29
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#33
Originally Posted by chaoscreater View Post
I
Both are now blocked ignored.


Any reply posted after mine will be considered ineffective and garbage. This warning message is troll proof, idiot proof and ****** proof. Consider urself an illiterate c.u.n.t, should u still choose to post/flame after this message, or quote this message. Any further insults posted against this will be redundant and fail miserably.


Good bye u losers.
ooh the classic "fingers in ears i cant hear you nananananana" defense! good move sir i salute your tactical debating genius! oh but you cant hear that.
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2010-09-01 , 14:36
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#34
Originally Posted by festivalnut View Post
ooh the classic "fingers in ears i cant hear you nananananana" defense! good move sir i salute your tactical debating genius! oh but you cant hear that.
LOL. And I bet he is still reading....
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2010-09-01 , 14:39
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#35
lets talk again about this if you get 18.
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2010-09-01 , 14:49
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#36
Wow.. this thread degraded into insanity rather quickly.

I answered the OP because it's not my place to say what he can or can't do with his phone. I also voiced my agreement that it is wholly a bad idea.

Someone asked me why I thought that.. most others have stated as such in the midst of all this.. I don't even know what this is.. but here's my answer.

A passwordless root enabled terminal is always a bad idea even on desktops. Quite often people will forget which terminal they are in (normal, or root) and run commands they didn't intend. I'm not just talking about "omg I blew my computer up!" type commands, which of course do happen, but I mean simple things such as running a program in the user directories. Sometimes, that causes that program to create files that are now owned and only readable/writable by root inside the user directories. Next time you try to run said program it crashes and you now spend hours (and in the case of the n900 probably come post here) troubleshooting why your app crashes all of a sudden.

An example of this is actually VCMI Heroes 3 port. The maintainer of that originally ran his vcmi as root, and it created an interprocess file that was now owned by root. As such, he could only ever run that program as root.

It's inherently a terrible idea because everyone, I don't care how good you are or how long you've worked with *nix, everyone has their "oh ****" moment. There are some things that should be intentionally left as non-"point click" easy.

Now, this problem becomes extrapolated on a touch screen device. And then even doubled again on a resistive touchscreen device, where anything in your pocket, or dropping it, or whatever can touch the screen, launch your new root terminal and maybe press a few "up" key strokes and manage to find a command that does something rather not good.

So, with a clear head, in full detail - there is far too much risk, and very minimal gain, to be had by automating this particular process. I typically strongly recommend sudo have a password, so "sudo gainroot" with no password is bad enough, but removing any chains at all is just, IMHO, not cool.

But.. the beautiful thing about the N900 is it's your device.. you can make your own decisions. I'll show you how, but that doesn't mean I condone it.

I also disagree vehemently with anyone saying "there is no risk in enabling devel".. um.. yes. There is.
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2010-09-01 , 15:00
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#37
I love how you and the others who didn't contribute, manage to spam your way through to 2nd page in my topic.
First of all, they did contribute. Whether you liked what they had to say or not. Second: If you want a thread on a public forum to be yours and under your control, I would advise you to start a blog. This is a forum. People are free to express their opinions. Just as you are free to make silly (and without you even understanding it, dangerous) requests.

Regardless of what your point is, your posts are considered as spam and low level of trolling.
Do some research on what is considered spam at this board, and what the nature of trolling actually is. I doubt the contributors could be labeled any of those two types.

Maybe it's too hard for you guys to understand, but first of all i only wanted a shortcut to skip typing sudo gainroot. It's not a mattered of being "bored" (i never stated that anyway), but it's a matter of efficiency and speed. People create desktop shortcuts to everything such as apps, games, and overclocking tweaks so you can switch from stock to a 1GHZ overclock by just pressing a button. I wanted something similar with the "sudo gainroot" command, i NEVER said i want to get rid of it permanently.
The other day, we had a guy at the board here, who was very upset because his n900 did no longer boot... After deleting the /usr/ directory, that is. You seem to show a similar level of understanding here. So before you start to point your finger at people "not understanding you", it might be wise to sit back and contemplate whether you actually missed something here... From a practical point of view your wish is just the same as bypassing sudo gainroot alltogether. It will enable you to simply press a button and gain rights to change things around which you should not have by just pressing a button. What if you accidentaly press it? Or you leave your terminal open and your kids or someone else walks in and starts playing with your terminal session?

Maybe if you learned to read my question correctly, you'll know what i'm asking isn't something insanely stupid pulled out of my ***
It is stupid. No matter where you pulled it from. Period.

If you actually put enough time to contribute and answer questions posted by others and help out properly, maybe u wouldn't be as useless as your line of mere 3 words.
How about own responsibility and using Google or whatever gets your boat floating? Now you rely on other peoples' knowledge and yet you dare to complain when you are to preoccupied to actually read between the lines (or three words, in this particular case)?

There's no risk in enabling extra-devels, no one cares and people have it enabled anyway. I know what i'm doing, i've overclocked my phone to death and done tons of mods and tweaks to it. Is it so hard for people these days to "FOCUS" on my question? If i wanted a different answer i would've posted another question about it.
If you already knew what answer you wanted, why bother in the first place?

And again, please learn to read. Stop LYING and defending for the other guy when you know DAMN WELL that his 3 word sentence that consists of:

I hope not
is as plain and useless as any garbage you can find.
Explanation:
1. I (singular), expresses the subjectivity of the sentence, as opposed to stating a fact.
2. Hope, expresses the fact that he does not know for sure, but wishes there is no such possibility.
3. Not, the opposite of hoping "yes, there is".

From this simple three-word answer you could have derived quite a bit of information, yet you failed to do so, and prefer swearing and creating conditions to which people have to oblige before they are allowed to answer your royal silliness. Are you for real, dude?
 

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2010-09-01 , 15:14
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Originally Posted by chaoscreater View Post
and yet the person who gave me the advice AND also started this whole argument posted this:

which i then said is useless and pointless.

God, why do so many of you fail so bad?? I'M NOT AGAINST people giving out warnings, it's for the good of newbies and even expert users, I FUKN GET THAT. But what kind of a advice/warning is that??

Seriously, u guys need to go back from page 1 and LEARN TO READ.

And what makes me face palm even more is how you guys can manage to mis-read my initial post and not realize that what i'm asking doesn't even require any warning in the first place, i only wanted a quick shortcut to enable it from the desktop, i am not asking for a PERMANENT "sudo gainroot".

I've already gotten 2 solutions from 2 helpful users. Someone please close or delete this thread before more illiterate idiots show up and post unnecessary crap and create flame wars. God damn, it's like i'm trying to teach a bunch of kids to read, i quoted the guy and yet u guys still try to defend for him saying he's giving me advice and warning.

I'm still yet to be explained how a fukn 3 word sentence:

(Quoted for the fukn 4th or 5th time)

can represent a warning of any kind. U guys r fukn ridiculous clowns.


Have it ever come to your mind that it might be you who are overreacting? I could not agree more to that post.. "i hope not". Even though it could have been expressed better it is a valid opinion.

It is not that hard to write "root" when it is needed. Or if more frequently use the up arrow.
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@festivalnut,

I have been running my N900 for 6 months with a "Rooted Xterm" icon on my desktop without any "Dangerous" actions happening as a result of that, however, I can 100% understand the claims of it being unsafe for users who are not careful, resulting in lots of time being wasted for those users and other forum members who might put the effort in helping them after they have shot their own leg.

You sir, were not helpful, "I Hope Not" indeed represented your opinion on the topic, but you chose one of the worst ways to express your opinion, If you were in a hurry, or just didn't want to elaborate, you should have just NOT POSTED.
Or, realized that your comment, as natural as it felt for you might trigger some reaction by the OP.

Further more, the OP chose a civilized manner to tell you that your post was useless. It didn't help the OP reach his goal, and it didn't really explain to noobs why they shouldn't try this shortcut.

Next time, I suggest, you hold off with comments that do not being info, and do not bring some smiles to the thread for yourself.

You may or may not take my suggestion, I see about 4 users bashing the OP here, and it's totally unjustified.
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Originally Posted by eitama View Post
@festivalnut,

I have been running my N900 for 6 months with a "Rooted Xterm" icon on my desktop without any "Dangerous" actions happening as a result of that, however, I can 100% understand the claims of it being unsafe for users who are not careful, resulting in lots of time being wasted for those users and other forum members who might put the effort in helping them after they have shot their own leg.

You sir, were not helpful, "I Hope Not" indeed represented your opinion on the topic, but you chose one of the worst ways to express your opinion, If you were in a hurry, or just didn't want to elaborate, you should have just NOT POSTED.
Or, realized that your comment, as natural as it felt for you might trigger some reaction by the OP.

Further more, the OP chose a civilized manner to tell you that your post was useless. It didn't help the OP reach his goal, and it didn't really explain to noobs why they shouldn't try this shortcut.

Next time, I suggest, you hold off with comments that do not being info, and do not bring some smiles to the thread for yourself.

You may or may not take my suggestion, I see about 4 users bashing the OP here, and it's totally unjustified.
i totally agreei could have been more descriptive, but sometimes being succint gets the point across, and if asked to elaborate i would have, however i believed the reasons for hoping not were obvious, as most people seem to have understood.

if you understand what you're doing (and i believe you do) then it may be slightly useful, however if you appear to not know what you're doing to a degree that you cant find the post where this has been discussed before, then any help i did offer would indeed be more damaging.

i could have not posted, but if nobody who thought this was a bad idea bothered to say so on the grounds that they'd be flamed by the OP or others for not being helpful, then again, more damage than help will occur.

four people ganging up on the OP for his idea would be unjustified, but when the OP is attacking, flaming and generally being rude to posters and the community as a whole, then he shouldn't be suprised when people take a dislike to this.
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