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2010-09-11 , 15:55
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It's nice to see the steady development of aps for maemo 5. I believe there are already double the choices since I joined a few months ago.

Thanks to all you hard working girls and guys!
 

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2010-09-11 , 17:32
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Thanks for pointing this out, somehow I never thought to compare them. I'm not sure what it says that it took so long[1] to reach this point. I appreciate the end-of-lining of Hildon and Maemo itself must have had a dampening effect, but I thought other factors like wider device distribution, more device capabilities & APIs, Qt etc would more than offset that. Is Fremantle less appealing to developers after all?

[1] about a year or a year and a half depending on whether you count from device availability or SDK release and extras-devel launch
 
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2010-09-11 , 18:06
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How many of these are fart apps?
 
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2010-09-11 , 18:23
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Originally Posted by lma View Post
Thanks for pointing this out, somehow I never thought to compare them. I'm not sure what it says that it took so long[1] to reach this point. I appreciate the end-of-lining of Hildon and Maemo itself must have had a dampening effect, but I thought other factors like wider device distribution, more device capabilities & APIs, Qt etc would more than offset that. Is Fremantle less appealing to developers after all
i don't think it took long: os2008 is older, so people had much more time to develop for it (and they still do). also and more importantly, the quality control procedure wasn't in place for os2008. you would probably have to add extras and extras-testing from maemo 5 and compare it to os2008's extras to get a valid result.
 

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2010-09-11 , 18:52
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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
i don't think it took long: os2008 is older, so people had much more time to develop for it (and they still do).
Sure, but the user population is much larger (the scale of the download stats for various common packages looks about 10x bigger on Fremantle). I'm wondering why the population of developers or apps hasn't grown proportionally as well.

also and more importantly, the quality control procedure wasn't in place for os2008. you would probably have to add extras and extras-testing from maemo 5 and compare it to os2008's extras to get a valid result.
Are there many packages that have never passed QA in extras-testing (if they had passed even once they'd be in extras anyway)?

Edit: as determined by counting user-visible (Section: user/*) packages in each repository's Packages file, Diablo extras has 530 packages while Fremantle extras has 489 and Fremantle extras-testing 696. This is not quite the same as "Downloads" which includes stuff hosted elsewhere, but I don't know how to compare that and include -testing at the same time.
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2010-09-11 , 18:58
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How many of these are fart apps?
Don't know but there's at least 100 livilsteels' themes included in the total
 

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2010-09-11 , 19:43
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Originally Posted by lma View Post
Thanks for pointing this out, somehow I never thought to compare them. I'm not sure what it says that it took so long[1] to reach this point. I appreciate the end-of-lining of Hildon and Maemo itself must have had a dampening effect, but I thought other factors like wider device distribution, more device capabilities & APIs, Qt etc would more than offset that. Is Fremantle less appealing to developers after all?

[1] about a year or a year and a half depending on whether you count from device availability or SDK release and extras-devel launch
As benny points out, Extras is a more difficult (but IMHO worthier) target with Fremantle due to the testing process (and yes, there are about 130 apps/content in there ATM).

Second, don't forget backports. Some apps got Diablo versions from people developing on Fremantle. So the difference in apps only decreased when an author decided/was forced to publish only for the N900. When the N900 was released, the Diablo app count was IIRC around 400.

Of course the PR1.2 delay and the MeeGo-Harmattan non-support did not help the long term plans of Maemo developers.

Coincidentally there is a 'huge battle' going on MeeGo land about this topic as it seems a lot of folks believe a community Extras that enhances particular devices is unnecessary in MeeGo and if there is a need, it should be handled/coordinated by the vendors themselves.
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2010-09-11 , 21:23
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Second, don't forget backports. Some apps got Diablo versions from people developing on Fremantle.
And vice versa, many Fremantle apps are direct ports of pre-existing Diablo ones.

Anyway I didn't want to make a fuss out of it, I was just caught by surprise that Fremantle's catalog is still so small.
 

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