I didn't really pick up on this the first time I read through but, I also have to point out that I sincerely doubt I'm one of only a FEW users that you probably respect that has been reminding people. I'm pretty certain I've seen an increasing number of respectable members who've been lamenting, flopping and floundering, waiting for Nokia/Maemo to sort of wake back up and excite customers with some evolutionary, revolutionary open-source devices and increase its community. This has obviously been an unrealized expectation that seems to be better delivered by competitors--and that's a shame. We've lost a good number of the old ITT people to competitors. Maybe, had they been given the attention they deserved, they would still be here and adding far more interesting and innovating developments than my apparently far less valued observations.

Guess who cares about your opinion about the people you don't want to hear? That's right. No ONE. Oh the irony of complaining about complainers complaining to find yourself to be a complainer!

Hmm. Complainers agenda is to make Nokia react and this is wrong forum for it. My agenda is to make moderators of maemo.org to act. I think that I might be on something :|

If someone isn't behaving and for example in every topic posting about their issue (like christexport was complaining about lack of portrait mode in tons of topics) you can perform various solutions:

1) You can ask a the person to moderate their behavior
2) You can put the person to your ignore list
3) You can ignore the person by not reading his/her contributions

Banning someone has a big impact because it can be easily abused to silence criticism. It should be used carefully, and it isn't even effective.

Many people who are concerned are not teenager. I don't see why you are including this in a post where you ask for moderation on behavior, btw.

Forums are meant to be biased. If you want only facts, go to a wiki, and do not read the Talk: pages.

BTW, perhaps its time to call the beast by its name and provide some examples.

No, that is a long-term goal. Short-term goal is to raise awareness.

Hey, i was the OP of Ansi resign but i didnt make it because of trolling, i make only for information and hear some thoughs from community...

You're entire post is responded to in this statement. Here is not the place for Nokia or Maemo complaints to be heard by Nokia. I don't know how many times that has to be repeated before people stop trying to use it as an excuse. Yes, there are couple of Nokia employees that happen to frequent these forums - so tell me: Are all the standard, regular, employees of your company able to make whimsical changes any time they want that affect the whole company? Is your company so uberly awesome that your employees can tell your managers to stuff it and die in a fire and that's ok?

No? Alright then. What makes you think anyone that comes here, Nokia or not, can do a damn thing about your problem?

So no.. THIS is not the place for your hatred of your device or your company because you feel they've failed you. That is at Conversations.. and guess what? If they ignore you? Too damn bad. You get to continue feeling like they screwed you.. there is nothing we can do about it. Period. Why drag all of us down with you because you feel screwed? What purpose is there in that??

(expand my "You's" to be universal. Anyone that finds themselves complaining about Nokia every single day, or multiple times a day, in multiple threads - Those questions are for you.)

Hence the qualifier. You are one of the few I see constantly bringing it up (or responding to threads regarding it). There is at least one other, but there aren't many that I see constantly talking about it.

I am, mostly, a part of you guys. I hate the decisions Nokia has made regarding the N900. I hate the fact that we won't be getting an official upgrade or an official support for users to get MeeGo on the N900. I do feel as if Nokia dumped the N900 just a few short months after it was released, and PR1.2 and 1.3 are more just band-aids for a futureless device (in Nokia's eyes).

Yes, I feel this way. No, that's not likely to change (even though many argue that Nokia still see's a future for the N900, I disagree. They may be right, but we've seen nothing in a public statement that shows otherwise.)

The difference is.. I'm not in every single thread made by every single fanboy and troll regurgitating that fact. To be honest, I hated the way the OP of this thread phrased his objections. I hated the way the OP's in all three of the example posts started their threads too. I find all four to be utter wastes (with the exception of maybe the resigning thread..). I don't even think I've responded at all to any of the other 3 in the OP's examples..

When I come to T.M.O the majority of my time is spent in threads where people ask questions for help, in software threads, in the MeeGo Screenshots or new MeeGo information threads, etc. I click on these threads just to clear them out of my New Posts screen and most of the time never even bother reading them. What's the point?

Granted, I can't keep it up forever, obviously, so this utterly useless thread just happens to be the one that got me involved this month.

I have certainly posted inside many of these nonsense threads, I have certainly gone on very long tirades with my opinions both against these threads and against Nokia. But the point is I don't find myself doing it every day.

I am quite sure (and maybe it's just an appearance thing) that I see your name almost every time I decide to skip a thread. Usually, If I see Texrat, You, Stskeeps, gerbick, geneven, Kathy and a large list of others (sorry, I can't really list everyone..) - I stop and read what you have to say.

Unfortunately, some of you are getting to the point that I'm starting to skip your posts too.. because it's the same crap every day. This is on both sides.. praises for and against Nokia.

It saddens me that that is happening. And that is why today, a not very good day at work, I decided to once again speak up. But I will once again go back to the shadows in this topic, and once again continue to contribute in other threads... and sometime next month when nothing has changed and you're all still arguing about the same god damned thing.. I'll get fed up and make another, useless, post.

@allnameswereout

Banning not effective?
For example check out doom9 and hydrogen forums. Dear god how strict policy they have and they have good user base that delivers stuff constantly. Intelligent conversations and moderation so strict that it amazes even me. Surely there probably goes some highly intelligent people with waste water who might not be so accustomed to write in a way that is persuasive but tend to go rather "listen me because i´m right"(and they are but sadly they miss social skills). These same people have huge problems in work communities, but enough of that.

Point is that IMO strict moderation on this kind of forum (referring to vbulletin format) is just IMO least worst way to keep things going on when you have rather large user base. vbulletin format (threaded or what is term for this kind of forums?) is not good when you live in illusion that people know how to behave when having conversation or think that things will gradually be better after we have teched all the people in the world. I understand your idea about how people can themselves control conversations around here but in my opinion it´s well nice dream and we all should keep that dream but IMO If you like to have community based moderation then maybe stacked overflow is the way to go and it gives much better tools for keeping stuff in order. For example 1 star rated threads should not popup in active thread list and so on.

Point is that it has been shown so many times around internet that strict moderation is just best way to handle conversations on these kind of forums. Let the all flowers Bloom and children will just magically learn how to behave collectively is nice dream but it needs maybe different kind of forum format that pretty much emulates IRL conversations where people who do not know how to behave just get ignored collectively.

Excellent point that leads me to a follow-up question: What would you prefer that I do, instead? Stop participating altogether? Convey an artificial sense of optimism despite what I know? I'm just not sure what kind of thing you're looking for. Near as I can tell, being a Maemo forum, there isn't a whole lot of anything that we can really contribute anymore with the rapidly deflating ITT crowd and the increasing numbers of disappointed phone purchasers who are just now realizing that they didn't buy a very good phone when they bought an N900 (or coming to the realization that there were an awful lot of people who thought it was a phone and are now being told that they should have researched it better, which is just a backhanded way to tell someone that they're stupid for buying it instead of explaining how to make it a better phone). I, for one, am increasingly glad I didn't get an N900 but proportionally disappointed that Nokia never delivered on an improved ITT experience, where I started out. I'm still stuck on an N800, for Maemo (MeeGo?).

So, coming back around, what would you prefer we do right now?

Key point is if you have stepped into a puddle you should have a basic human obligation to steer other people from getting into that puddle instead of directing them towards it.

At this point, with all of the threads relating to the downfalls of the N900 and every single blog in existence having reviews that point out the vast majority of the major issues with the N900...

You are yelling at passer by's while standing next to an arrow sign that says "Puddle" pointing to a cement wall covering a brick wall covering a chain link fence over a chain wrapped around 4 posts over a metal sheet that has been bolted to the road covering that puddle.

At what point do you consider it superfluous?

And Dan, if you honestly see nothing else around here other than this.. well.. there's really nothing more I can say.

I somehow manage to find a way to help someone every single day that doesn't involve telling them to get Android instead, or reminding them how much Nokia sucks. Maybe that's just me, though.

what puddle? Maybe what someone see as puddle is not puddle to all human beigns. Things arent surely as clear as some people seem to think. There is tons of review sites where people with mission or perhaps with real insight can warn people about puddle. This is not place for it.