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2010-09-18 , 14:41
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#41
Originally Posted by geneven View Post
Because of the way Microsoft forces you to buy software with a computer, I'm sure I have specifically bought quite a few copies of Windows I never used. No one seems to be concerned about that.
funny when companies are in doodo they get bailed out yet when some poor kid needs a computer to compete with the other kids, the morality police show up swinging their batons. as to the poster who asked which of these are flexible? all of the above. if my experience has taught me anything it is that the politician moralizing about family values is most likely having an affair or two. likewise its the guy preaching how unmoral it is for a kid to get a pirated software so they can compete in school, who probably has a stack of illegal mp3's from here to the mars on his hard drive.
 
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2010-09-18 , 14:42
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This may be offensive to some:

I'd reckon the two biggest variable that affects piracy is age and wealth.

The less money you have, the more excuses you'll scrounge to justify the offenses.

The younger you are, the less respect you have of other people's work and property.
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2010-09-18 , 17:19
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Originally Posted by extendedping View Post
likewise its the guy preaching how unmoral it is for a kid to get a pirated software so they can compete in school, who probably has a stack of illegal mp3's from here to the mars on his hard drive.
It's not the preaching that makes is right or wrong. The bottom line is the question was 'is it okay'. No, it's not okay, because someone asked you not to do it (how big the baton enforcing it is a different question) and you said 'fsck it, I'm doing it anyway because [insert reason]'. If you asked 'is it evil' or 'danger for mankind', 'undermining our way of life', I would also say no. But you asked if it's ok - no, it's not.

I had a commercial software or two I wanted really bad, but had no means of buying, even if I had the money. I sat down and wrote them a letter - hey - I do Open Source stuff (list of references), I'm a student and live in a god forsaken country, I really like the stuff you made, can you help. Some of them did not even respond. I don't use their software (I hold no grudge though - it's their software, their call, if I still needed it I'd buy it). Some of them were, however, more than happy to send me a license. In a weird way, one of those cases is the indirect reason for the existance/possibility of a few dozen packages in Extras - so if you use PyQt or an app that uses it, these guys made that possible. So there, do whatever you have to do, but I have to vote a 'no' on the question above.
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2010-09-18 , 17:32
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Originally Posted by geneven View Post
The industry has managed to come up with customers who pay, partly with threats. This is perfectly fine -- it's how the legal system works. Many software companies make most of their money from businesses that purchase their software. This is primarily because businesses have money and can be sued for illegal use of software.
So the honest people pay and the dishonest benefit? Seems like an odd system.

Originally Posted by geneven View Post
I personally am not pirating any software at this time that I can think of. I have pirated software in the past, and many of my purchasing decisions have been made because I was familiar with products, having pirated them in the past. If I hadn't pirated them I would never have purchased them.
You have a trial period and Google to learn all you need to. 30 days is plenty.

Originally Posted by geneven View Post
You seem to be under the impression that I am saying that no one should pay for software and that everything should be pirated. That is not the case -- not even close.
That's good.

Originally Posted by geneven View Post
I have purchased LOTS of software that I have subsequently found USELESS. You don't seem to be crying about that. I have NEVER HEARD of a software company taking a survey about people who have bought their software and got no value from it and have THEN CONTACTED THOSE PEOPLE, APOLOGIZED, AND REFUNDED THE MONEY THEY PAID.
You mean buyer's remorse? Yeah, software companies are reponsible for that. People don't buy cars / houses / tv / phones / clothes / toys and later have buyer's remorse. If you derive no value from it maybe you should have done more research. Yeah, I mean Google (its really useful in case you haven't tried it). If you didn't do the research before you spend your cash, who's fault is it really?

Try again.

Originally Posted by geneven View Post
I think that hoodwinking people into buying something from you and delivering no value is immoral. Why don't I see any campaigns against that?
Hoodwinking. Hmm... In the year 2010, there's this think called marketing and sometimes companies use to get us to buy their stuff. We as consumers kinda need to wise up and look beyond the flashy signs and messages and see if what they're really selling is what we want or need. I'll give you a secret. Sssshhhhh there's this secret tool and starts with a "G" and can pretty much tell you all you need to know about a product before you buy it.

Originally Posted by geneven View Post
The reason is that people take it for granted -- software companies want your money for nothing, if they can get it, and customers want the software for free, if they can get it.
Yeah, all those software developers sitting in the company cubes are all just money bags. They surf the internet all day long, play stupid office cubicle games and then go home and cash in the big BUCKS. Man, where do I sign up???!!!! HOOK ME UP, BABY... HOOK ME UP!!!!!

You're right thought, customers want the software for free and if they have to they'll steal and they do.
 
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2010-09-18 , 17:47
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Originally Posted by extendedping View Post
It all depends on your situation. why should some rich kid get his college paid for and have spending money and a car and all the best software to do his work...and you just want some software so you can at least compete academically.

to me it is nothing like stealing something like someones wallet.

to me it is only moral that you should have sufficient tools to compete on an even ground.
So Intel has billions of dollars more than AMD. It's only moral that AMD hires Intels engineers and steals Intels plans so that they can compete on an even ground.

So the US has billions of more dollars than <pick your emerging market of choice>. It's their moral obligation to steal from the US everything their technology so that they can compete on a global level with the US.

In the US there is a disparity between the races and communities so it is only right and fair and true that the poor should steal from the rich so that they can compete at the same level.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but life's a little unfair. Just because someone got the short end of the stick doesn't mean they're entitled to steal.

I'm not saying they don't need help, they do but stealing isn't the answer.
 
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2010-09-18 , 17:48
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Is it okay for a student with limited financial resources to pirate software?
Define "okay"...
 
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2010-09-18 , 18:19
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Originally Posted by mmurfin87 View Post
Define "okay"...
Okay is when you don't get caught
 
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2010-09-18 , 18:30
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I voted no.

Either it's immoral and you don't do it, or you don't care and you do it. I don't think morality should be tied to a bank account balance.
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2010-09-19 , 01:33
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Originally Posted by geohsia View Post
So the honest people pay and the dishonest benefit? Seems like an odd system.
Taken out of the context, this seems like how the real world works to me.

I don't think it gets any better in context though.

You have a trial period and Google to learn all you need to. 30 days is plenty.
You are making an assumption that you have some kind of trial period. And Google can be surprisingly bad when you get specific enough.

You mean buyer's remorse?
And there is no such thing as advertisement that promises too much.

Try again.

Hoodwinking. Hmm... In the year 2010, there's this think called marketing and sometimes companies use to get us to buy their stuff. We as consumers kinda need to wise up and look beyond the flashy signs and messages and see if what they're really selling is what we want or need.
So you think it's ok to lie to your customers? Because they'll be smart enough to be able to figure out the facts themselves anyway?

I'll give you a secret. More we accept their s***, more they make us eat it.

You're right thought, customers want the software for free and if they have to they'll steal and they do.
One of the very basic things of capitalism is, that market decides the appropriate price for items.


I shouldn't be doing this. But the arguments above felt too wrong, so I had to counter.
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2010-09-19 , 01:53
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Originally Posted by geohsia View Post
So Intel has billions of dollars more than AMD. It's only moral that AMD hires Intels engineers and steals Intels plans so that they can compete on an even ground.

So the US has billions of more dollars than <pick your emerging market of choice>. It's their moral obligation to steal from the US everything their technology so that they can compete on a global level with the US.

In the US there is a disparity between the races and communities so it is only right and fair and true that the poor should steal from the rich so that they can compete at the same level.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but life's a little unfair. Just because someone got the short end of the stick doesn't mean they're entitled to steal.

I'm not saying they don't need help, they do but stealing isn't the answer.
So its cool that life is inherently unfair...that people get the short end of the stick. Well as long as a corporation doesn't get screwed. That would be wrong.

Everything is relative and should be judged in a context. Did Harvard not take the Kennedy's money because they knew the family amassed it illegally? If some kid can't afford some software and he is not stealing it off of some other kids table, please don't compare this to the great train robbery.

BTW in the usa we have affirmative action. Different races get tons of breaks on tests, on financial aid, on job placement etc. Now go back to the time of slaves and ask if a slave had the moral right to steal...I'd say hell yes to that. again things are all relative and belong in a context.
 
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