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2010-09-18 , 16:35
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#51
Originally Posted by sjgadsby View Post
Do you have one or more questions? You could still ask. I haven't voted yet, so you could influence my vote.
I've already cast my vote, but I'd like to hear the remaining candidates' views on the current MeeGo compliance spec draft (specifically the "no non-core dependencies allowed" rule discussed from this point onwards).
 
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2010-09-18 , 18:03
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Originally Posted by lma View Post
I've already cast my vote, but I'd like to hear the remaining candidates' views on the current MeeGo compliance spec draft (specifically the "no non-core dependencies allowed" rule discussed from this point onwards).
My own position is pretty clear, hopefully, in the thread: I think, out of the many missteps already made in MeeGo (for various reasons), this is the most short-sighted of them all.
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2010-09-18 , 18:11
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#53
This was posted to maemo-community minutes ago by Robin Burchell/w00t (was asked by him to repost as his network is bad):

Hi all,

As many of you may know, I stood for council in the current elections.

It was a spur of the moment decision, partly based on the (at the
time) lack of candidates in what I consider an important time, but
also due to my feelings on what I consider to be many key issues.

However.. taking decisions on the spur of the moment often has
consequences, and it certainly did in this case.

In particular, I neglected to read
http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Coun...ection_process - point #6 to
be exact.

You see, as some of you will probably know, I am employed by Collabora
Ltd. Amongst Collabora's clients is Nokia.

It was pointed out by a close friend of mine that I hadn't declared
this when I stood, so I consulted Dave this afternoon about this
issue, and as a result, my candidacy has been removed from
consideration - I am no longer in the running as a candidate, and any
votes I recieve will automatically be transferred to the next. (I
don't know the full details of how this works. Dave?)

I'd like to note three things now that the cat is out of the bag:
- I am perfectly happy with being out of the running.
We have many fine candidates still in the running, and as such, I
am certain that the council will have a fine composition, regardless
of who wins.
- I also did (no matter how slightly) break the rules, and as such, I
must face the consequences.
- Let this be a lesson to you all: read the fine print!

Best of luck to all remaining candidates - and lastly, I'm sorry to
*you*, the community, for letting you down like this.

Finally: I'm on the road for the next day or so, so responses will be
extremely delayed until Sunday night at the earliest.
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2010-09-18 , 18:13
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#54
I am personally sorry to read this as I believe w00t would have made a fine council member. Maybe next time.
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2010-09-18 , 18:25
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#55
Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
My own position is pretty clear, hopefully, in the thread
Yeah, I said "remaining candidates" - you and attila77 need not apply ;-)
 

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2010-09-18 , 18:31
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
This was posted to maemo-community minutes ago by Robin Burchell/w00t (was asked by him to repost as his network is bad):
Sad to read this :-( I wonder if the rule even applies at this stage, does any company have a professional interest in Maemo any more?
 
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2010-09-18 , 18:33
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Sad to read this :-( I wonder if the rule even applies at this stage, does any company have a professional interest in Maemo any more?
Actually, that's a very good point, since Nokia have announced their plans to disengage from maemo.org. Unfortunately, it wasn't the case when the candidates were announced.
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2010-09-18 , 18:41
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Originally Posted by YoDude View Post
Q: Do you see any future value in the culture and methods developed here at maemo.org in the past?
Yes, absolutely (and, with an old political technique, who'd say "no"?!). Whether it's Maemo Greeters, an elected representation of the Community (whomever that may be), forum structures & moderators, QA process, Extras (minimising fragmentation of repositories) and so on.

Q: Do you see your role in the next Community council as a custodian of an orderly depreciation of maemo.org and it's culture until they/it is no longer useful in its present state,

or;

do you believe other uses for maemo.org and its community can be developed that would eventually serve a larger and more diverse population of engaged users?
There is a common thing for everyone here: Maemo. It isn't (and never really has been) a generic portable gadget site (like Carrypad, say). If Maemo (or a natural evolution, like MeeGo, which meets the majority's requirements) ceases to be the binding element, I suspect the answer for each individual will be different (whether it's iPhone, Android, PalmOS, featurephones, Kindles, iPods, MP3 players) and that will result in an overall and natural diminishing of the site.

Trying to resurrect maemo.org as a generic gadget site to grow it to serve a "diverse population of engaged users" I think would be hard. What do you mean by "engaged users" - engaged to what? If it's a general gadget lust, I'm not sure it'd be sustainable: the forums would be overrun by threads for various different devices, the rest of the site (and therefore the rest of the community) would be useless (Garage isn't best-of-breed, and the admin overhead of Bugzilla would be enormous).

Q: [I]Should a road-map of this depreciation be developed by the next council to present scheduled expectancies and key events to our members?
As much as it can be known, yes. However, Nokia have committed to maintaining the site and providing resources for it (see the recent meeting minutes) , as long as there's a community, there can be a site. It's therefore up to the community to stay active and engaged, and that's what makes putting any sort of useful timetable in place impossible.

Actually, there is a timetable we could put in place; we could ask Nokia to pull the plug in two months time, and advertise that as a timetable. Or pin it to X months after an event (say the announcement of the Harmattan device).

But I can't imagine that having a definitive timetable is actually more important than maintaining a home for the Maemo community whilst there is a Maemo community. And there might very well be a viable and vibrant Maemo community in ten years time: the N900 could be the last good device, the same way that I think the Psion Series 5mx was the last good PDA (and my N900 still has gaps which mean it's not a complete replacement). With the numbers that the N900 has sold, and the possibility of getting engaged developers working on the Community SSU (however slight that may be), if the Harmattan device - or a competitor device - doesn't meet most N900 user's use-cases, the Maemo community could be here for a very long time.

Of course, if the Harmattan device does meet the vast majority's use cases, all app development ceases; no posts are made here; MeeGo is a viable day-to-day OS for anyone who doesn't get the Harmattan device and no-one maintains the community SSU, it may very well be that maemo.org is useless within 6 months of the Harmattan device launch.

Unfortunately, the only thing the Council can do to influence which of those it is more likely is to encourage development, collaboration and engagement and then facilitate to make sure everyone's aware of it.
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2010-09-18 , 18:43
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Actually, that's a very good point, since Nokia have announced their plans to disengage from maemo.org. Unfortunately, it wasn't the case when the candidates were announced.
"Disengage" is the wrong word, I'd say. They'll engage through the same channels as everyone else: the Council; and pick up the bill for what we want (within the budget).

Anyway, Collabora still have a professional software interest in Maemo - I don't think that's a workaround in this case ;-)
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Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
My own position is pretty clear, hopefully, in the thread: I think, out of the many missteps already made in MeeGo (for various reasons), this is the most short-sighted of them all.
Sadly if Meego is to be one day a mainstream OS..this is a necessary requirement. Most people (ie. not techies) don't want to search for dependencies. Heck most of them don't even know how to, let alone solve conflicts that may arise due to these dependencies.

I disagree with that rule too..but on the other hand I am not part of 'most people' and do know how to solve my own issues. This problem is already seen on the N900, where new users don't know where to begin looking once a problem arises, and the Nokia did their best to keep the N900 from the spotlights to limit its purchase. I don't think they will do such a thing with Meego. Meego must sadly be..like iOS..
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