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2010-10-21 , 17:17
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#51
Originally Posted by Rauha View Post
Here's the full quote.:

"As an example of this, there have been various comments made at various points in time about the anticipated availability of our first MeeGo device and versions of the MeeGo software. My first impressions of our MeeGo work inspires both confidence and excitement. However, it is also clear to me that our first MeeGo device will be a 2011 event."

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2314...t?source=yahoo

Symbian seemingly inspires less confidence and excitement, 600 of the 800 Nokians losing their jobs in Finland are Symbian people.
1800 people i think you mean't
 
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I think that what happened here is that MeeGo was supposed to be released this year, according to Ari Jaaksi's standards of polishing (that means shiny, and rough around the edges).

I'm sure that when the Palm guy came as User Experience guru, deemed it not ready yet for the US market, and needing further polish. And Elop agreed, noticed how he mentioned "unpolished gems" at Nokia?

So they are spending this months for further polish. And its easy to see how a decision like it could have motivated Jaaksi's departure.
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#53
Originally Posted by Rauha View Post
Symbian seemingly inspires less confidence and excitement, 600 of the 800 Nokians losing their jobs in Finland are Symbian people.
Did Nokia really have "at least" 600 developers working on Symbian based code (core, client apps etc)??

If so, WTF were they doing the last 3 years? They must have some serious 9am to 4pm plus Fridays off over in Finland because that's a HUGE number of devs for an OS that still looks and feels 2007.

That many people which results in only a "tweaked" UI layout? Luckily they were fired and not moved to work on Meego
 
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i hope it doesnt end up like a pre, or some other cookie cutter smartphone ... i want a computer with linux in my pocket.

new nokia dont **** up a good thing. this has me scared that they will try to emulate the other companies out there. oh man, i guess the n900 was the last of the truly open devices ... next up meego the pre/droid clone. ughh so disheartened none of this bodes well for the tweakers, i fear some locks coming for no apparent reason. aww man, this is what i get for hoping that one company would provide a device thats usable ... the rest of the noise out there holds no interest for me. eff this mess, show me the N9 ill let you know if ill wait for it. dont make me wait, then the specs arent that good, then i have to continue waiting for a device thats worth purchasing.
 

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1800 people i think you mean't
In Finland? nope, all around the world? yes
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Originally Posted by bugelrex View Post
Did Nokia really have "at least" 600 developers working on Symbian based code (core, client apps etc)??

If so, WTF were they doing the last 3 years? They must have some serious 9am to 4pm plus Fridays off over in Finland because that's a HUGE number of devs for an OS that still looks and feels 2007.

That many people which results in only a "tweaked" UI layout? Luckily they were fired and not moved to work on Meego
Hate to agree, but i have to. Thought it's good to remember that as long as you are not working on Nokia Siement Network (that's pretty much 50% of Nokia's 122 000 workers) you got good change of working around Symbian somehow.


Shortly explained below what the job cuts are affecting.
http://translate.google.com/translat...m%3D_-21102010
And as it's translated from fin to eng, door=OVI.

It's good to hear that Nokia is now concentrated to bring one cohesive OVI services around all devices. As before services inside Nokia was working around lineup of phones according to the article above.

It's about time too. If this is Elops works i'm already liking the guy.


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Originally Posted by mrojas View Post
I think that what happened here is that MeeGo was supposed to be released this year, according to Ari Jaaksi's standards of polishing (that means shiny, and rough around the edges).

I'm sure that when the Palm guy came as User Experience guru, deemed it not ready yet for the US market, and needing further polish. And Elop agreed, noticed how he mentioned "unpolished gems" at Nokia?

So they are spending this months for further polish. And its easy to see how a decision like it could have motivated Jaaksi's departure.
Thought remember that Jaaksi left to HP and Skillman to Nokia, so in short switched places. It doesn't make it impossible what you are saying, but less likely imo.
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Originally Posted by bugelrex View Post
Did Nokia really have "at least" 600 developers working on Symbian based code (core, client apps etc)??

If so, WTF were they doing the last 3 years? They must have some serious 9am to 4pm plus Fridays off over in Finland because that's a HUGE number of devs for an OS that still looks and feels 2007.

That many people which results in only a "tweaked" UI layout? Luckily they were fired and not moved to work on Meego
you are missing the big picture. it seems that the bureocracy and geological positions have been really irrational (every office has at least one symbian development team, why aren't they in the same place?!?!) since millenium or even before that.

e: what I mean is that if 2 guys dig a hole in 2 hours and 3 in 2,5 hours, how much does it take if 4000 guys are digging at the same time?
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#58
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i hope it doesnt end up like a pre, or some other cookie cutter smartphone ... i want a computer with linux in my pocket.

new nokia dont **** up a good thing. this has me scared that they will try to emulate the other companies out there. oh man, i guess the n900 was the last of the truly open devices ... next up meego the pre/droid clone. ughh so disheartened none of this bodes well for the tweakers, i fear some locks coming for no apparent reason. aww man, this is what i get for hoping that one company would provide a device thats usable ... the rest of the noise out there holds no interest for me. eff this mess, show me the N9 ill let you know if ill wait for it. dont make me wait, then the specs arent that good, then i have to continue waiting for a device thats worth purchasing.
lol get some Valium or something.
you do know this is just speculation?
for all we know harmattan still might be released, there was rumour n9 was delayed until January/February a while back, Elop today announced there would be shorter time between announcement and shipping of products too which would explain why no announcement at MeeGo conference b/c it would mean ppl having to wait months like N900.
thar "2011 Event" could be a one off press event in January like the kind of event they launched 5800 few years back for all we know.
 
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Originally Posted by NvyUs View Post
thar "2011 Event" could be a one off press event in January like the kind of event they launched 5800 few years back for all we know.
By event i don't think he meant a real event. "first Meego device is 2011 event". N9 can still be announced this year and released Q1 or that's how i got it.
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1800 people i think you mean't
The total is 1800, but I don't know how the total cuts are distributed. I would assume Ovi related jobs are more predominant in the 1000 or so cuts outside Finland.
 
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