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2007-10-24
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Originally Posted by sachin007
Not sure if that was aimed at me (I would understand if it was!) however I'm not falling for the eye candy as such, I simply believe it's now a necessary evil in order for a product to be successful (by which I mean it sells loads and loads) to the ordinary consumer. No eye candy, no (or very poor) sales in comparison to A. N. Other similar product that does have eye candy.
but it is rather sad to hear a techie person falling for the good looks rather then funcionlaity
Nokia can keep selling NITs with no real eye candy and call it a success because they only ever intended to sell 5000, but what I'd REALLY like to see happen is for Nokia to add the eye candy AND retain the extensible functionality we all want as geeks - I don't see the two as being mutually exclusive - and go on to sell millions of the little blighters! Apple don't consider eye candy a barrier to extensibility, hence the imminent release of the iPhone/Touch SDK, neither should Nokia (I'm sure they don't, either - it just takes time to develop, Diablo/OS2009 perhaps?)
Nokia will never achieve a run away (ie. mass consumer) success with NITs without the eye candy and a flair for design, that's an indisputable fact now as far as I'm concerned. The bar has been raised and Nokia have to meet or exceed it - and if that means "copying" features from other devices that's all fine with me, provided it adds value.
I truly want Nokia NITs to be in the same position as Apple and their mobile computing devices (ie. mind share, demand, sales, eco system, you name it), and lets face it Apple achieved all of that with inspired design and by giving people what they want.
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2007-10-24
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Originally Posted by Milhouse
Not sure if that was aimed at me (I would understand if it was!) however I'm not falling for the eye candy as such, I simply believe it's now a necessary evil in order for a product to be successful (by which I mean it sells loads and loads) to the ordinary consumer. No eye candy, no (or very poor) sales in comparison to A. N. Other similar product that does have eye candy.
Nokia can keep selling NITs with no real eye candy and call it a success because they only ever intended to sell 5000, but what I'd REALLY like to see happen is for Nokia to add the eye candy AND retain the extensible functionality we all want as geeks - I don't see the two as being mutually exclusive - and go on to sell millions of the little blighters! Apple don't consider eye candy a barrier to extensibility, hence the imminent release of the iPhone/Touch SDK, neither should Nokia (I'm sure they don't, either - it just takes time to develop, Diablo/OS2009 perhaps?)
Nokia will never achieve a run away (ie. mass consumer) success with NITs without the eye candy and a flair for design, that's an indisputable fact now as far as I'm concerned. The bar has been raised and Nokia have to meet or exceed it - and if that means "copying" features from other devices that's all fine with me, provided it adds value.
I truly want Nokia NITs to be in the same position as Apple and their mobile computing devices (ie. mind share, demand, sales, eco system, you name it), and lets face it Apple achieved all of that with inspired design and by giving people what they want.
Yeah i want nokia to beat the crap out of apple. I just hate apple not for its products but its attitude. Yeah i have to agree that nokia is really doing bad in the US atleast reagarding advertisement. Just one simple ad during the weekend football game can change the no. of n800's sold. Apple has been able to do this and that is why they are largely popular. I believe if nokia advertised as much as apple then the no. of n800's sold would have been a lot lot more. I believe they want to make the platform more stable. And they are making the tablets more mainstream this can be deduced by the fact that the maemo platform has been induced into a larger department(i think forum nokia). May be the 4th and 5th iiterations would me considered on par with the other N series phones.
P.s Since my 2 year stay in the US i never saw one NOkia ad.... not even a phone. I dont understand how NOkia is going to compete with apple if they dont advertise???
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2007-10-24
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Originally Posted by sachin007
Do Apple need to advertise? Every time Steve Jobs farts, he makes it on to the BBC news web site which is one of the most popular web sites in the world reaching millions of people every day. I'm sure it's the same with the Wall Street Journal and other online news sites around the globe.
P.s Since my 2 year stay in the US i never saw one NOkia ad.... not even a phone. I dont understand how NOkia is going to compete with apple if they dont advertise???
Apple have reinvented the advert and turned it into a news story...
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2007-10-24
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#435
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One problem for Nokia here is that Apple has been perceived as sexy for some time in the US-- Nokia has not. Apple intentionally cultivated that image, Nokia has not cared for it. That will be hard to change.
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2007-10-24
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Originally Posted by Milhouse
Yeah sad but true!! But seriously.... As you said how many people heard about the n800 and what it can do??
Do Apple need to advertise? Every time Steve Jobs farts, he makes it on to the BBC news web site which is one of the most popular web sites in the world reaching millions of people every day. I'm sure it's the same with the Wall Street Journal and other online news sites around the globe.
Apple have reinvented the advert and turned it into a news story...
Very very less. In my university i was the only one and i coerced two of my friend to buy them. Just imagine how many n800's nokia could sell just with a simple advertisement on tv??
I bet it is going to be equal in number with the iphone .....
Just the same ad which comes packed with tne n800 during a football game. That would lift sales by a long long way.
I wonder why they dont do it?? seriously!!
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2007-10-24
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Sachin, Nokia has made it very clear they are intentionally moving slow on this platform. Offhand I suppose it's to minimize risk. Regardless, that's the strategy, it's by design, and time will tell if Nokia was wrong or right...
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2007-10-24
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Originally Posted by Texrat
I think Nokia have it within themselves to achieve that, they've done it sporadically in their history - who can forget the chrome plated 8810 or the iconic (largely thanks to the Matrix movie) 8110 Banana phone? Of course there have been some howlers too... *cough* n-gage *cough*
That will be hard to change.
I think in the last 2-3 years however Nokia have taken their eye off the ball in terms of hardware design, favouring function over form, and are only recently getting back into the game. I read somewhere they had recognised this themselves and were creating or investing more in their design studios (can't find the link now).
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2007-10-24
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Yes, you're correct, but it's a lot easier to create an image than recreate it...
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2007-10-24
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Originally Posted by Milhouse
I think they dont like to deal with the carriers here.... Hope America gets loose from the evil clutch of the Carriers.... then nokia is going to consider America more seriously.
I think Nokia have it within themselves to achieve that, they've done it sporadically in their history - who can forget the chrome plated 8810 or the iconic (largely thanks to the Matrix movie) 8110 Banana phone? Of course there have been some howlers too... *cough* n-gage *cough*
I think in the last 2-3 years however Nokia have taken their eye off the ball in terms of hardware design, favouring function over form, and are only recently getting back into the game. I read somewhere they had recognised this themselves and were creating or investing more in their design studios (can't find the link now).
Nokia always tries to put the maximum no. of functions on its devices. Take any device made by nokia it stretches the functionality way above what it can do. But apple believes in doing what ever little it does the best. Well my personal preference is that i would take the additional functionality for looks any day. Yeah some times you get errors like too many applications are open or internal error web closed.....but the options are vast.
With a little patience you get many more things done.... unlike apple is all about eye candy and limited functionality which i admit it does well.
As far as people like us are concerned .... the people who read tech news and read tech forums i believe more functionality comes before eyecandy. Yeah i agree it is not the same for the major part of the remaining population whose interest are in other areas.... but it is rather sad to hear a techie person falling for the good looks rather then funcionlaity