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2010-12-10
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Originally Posted by ossipena
There never has been in the past, apparently it's not in Nokia's DNA to declare something EOL. However Andre's comments in bugzilla paint a clear picture: if development was still ongoing there would be lots of "FIXED in internal build XXXXXX" comments, but there's none of that. We do see a lot of "FIXED in Harmattan" instead.
just keep in mind that there is no official announcement from nokia
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2010-12-10
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Originally Posted by turbowei
Ironically, for many years while MacOS X had been released, I did. Yes. :P
apple and google, are not stuck with an OS that they deemed dead either.
do you see apple continue to update their MacOS9 ??
Originally Posted by lma
You misunderstand me. There's a difference between a nitpicker who notices a difference... and then a nitpicker who insists on arguing that 12 of something should really have been called a dozen. You didn't address his point, you just nitpicked on a two month difference which makes no difference to his point.
Yeah, I'm a nit picker, sue me ;-)
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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2010-12-10
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Originally Posted by ossipena
just keep in mind that there is no official announcement from nokia so support might be 11 months or 14+ months. still 11 months is hella lot more than 2 months someone suggested....
Originally Posted by Texrat
GOOD NEWS elsewhere, though: The Motorola Droid (which came out nearly at the same time as the N900) is expected to get another firmware update pushed out soon. I suspect it'll be the Android 2.2.1 update (which I already have on my rooted Droid, which is already getting a bunch of Gingerbread (2.3) stuff backported to it).
On one hand I empathize with the discouraged sentiment.
On the other, the writing appeared on the wall for Maemo the very day MeeGo was announced. From that point on end of life was not an if but a when.
edit: should have read geohsia's post first...
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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2010-12-10
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That's true, Nokia EOLs phones when they no longer make them and they end up in legacy on the site. Frankly, I find it annoying for a large company to have an open policy of "we only know you if you keep forking cash over to the latest model". It's plain wrong to begin with, plus, latest model is, by definition almost, in beta.
Forever buggy, forever new, forever half dead, incredibly expensive.
No wonder we look over the fence, no wonder we see iMarketShare rise. One model, one year per cycle, the new one beats the old one in every possible way. All efforts go into perfecting. Suddenly, it no longer seems stupid to fork over 1000€. After all, if you don't live for a command line there is little that iStuff doesn't offer. Well, there's that Flash thing. But you know what, iP will work with just about every hardware out there, headsets, handsfree, car kit, even home cinemas. N900 isn't even on the list.
Look at where we are now. Nokia offers an old N900, at end of life, some Symb that truely reaks and a half-born MeeGo that may or may not live and fly, but if it does it'll be a while. We're in purgatory.
So yes, let's start a thread about what Nokia has done good. I already have a list since PR 1.2:
1.3
* MicroB has pop-up menus in portrait
* Partial fix of pulseaudio, which we already had.
Alright, that was cool. Let's see the flip side:
* Still monolithic updates
* Still few fixes
* Still no names for numbers, I keep calling old phones
* Still phone stutters
* Still bugs in Calendar
* Still Brainstorm is a joke
* Still Maps can't offer what a 50$ portable device can
* Still no Office
* Still no PABC
* Still bugs in File Manager (missing items in pop-up)
* Still bugs in Mail
In fact, all Nokia apps have either bugs or silly, easily fixable limitations, save maybe for Backup.
So, which threads will be more frequesnt?
Forever buggy, forever new, forever half dead, incredibly expensive.
No wonder we look over the fence, no wonder we see iMarketShare rise. One model, one year per cycle, the new one beats the old one in every possible way. All efforts go into perfecting. Suddenly, it no longer seems stupid to fork over 1000€. After all, if you don't live for a command line there is little that iStuff doesn't offer. Well, there's that Flash thing. But you know what, iP will work with just about every hardware out there, headsets, handsfree, car kit, even home cinemas. N900 isn't even on the list.
Look at where we are now. Nokia offers an old N900, at end of life, some Symb that truely reaks and a half-born MeeGo that may or may not live and fly, but if it does it'll be a while. We're in purgatory.
So yes, let's start a thread about what Nokia has done good. I already have a list since PR 1.2:
1.3
* MicroB has pop-up menus in portrait
* Partial fix of pulseaudio, which we already had.
Alright, that was cool. Let's see the flip side:
* Still monolithic updates
* Still few fixes
* Still no names for numbers, I keep calling old phones
* Still phone stutters
* Still bugs in Calendar
* Still Brainstorm is a joke
* Still Maps can't offer what a 50$ portable device can
* Still no Office
* Still no PABC
* Still bugs in File Manager (missing items in pop-up)
* Still bugs in Mail
In fact, all Nokia apps have either bugs or silly, easily fixable limitations, save maybe for Backup.
So, which threads will be more frequesnt?
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N900 dead and Nokia no longer replaces them. Thanks for all the fish.
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2010-12-10
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Originally Posted by geohsia
I have a feeling that you are mixing and messing things up really badly now. do you mean maemo as maemo running in N900 or what?
Just over 2 months after the N900 was announced was when the MeeGo announcment was. Maybe it was 3 months, but it was clear then that Maemo had no future.
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Originally Posted by geohsia
just as I suspected. step 4/5 became iPhone as soon as you departed reality....
Well, let's start with the standard Flash 10.1 and Maps 3.x
(which feature was promised and which was reasonable expectations from public beta product?)
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2010-12-10
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Originally Posted by HumanPenguin
As I understand it to finish the project they had to spend around £6000 (from memory) on development time and Nokia indicated to them that they would not recover it, via the OVI store, as they would be insufficent customers to recoup their outlay. As usch they would be better waiting for Meego and the, hopefully, bigger customer base. However Nokia were unabel to give any indication as to when a Meego device would be brought to the market (recent commnets bt nokia suggest they intend waiting until meego is finished so it could well not be late 2011?). Not surprising rather than waste another £6000 the developers decided to wait until meego arrives.
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Sorry i have not read the whole thread its late here and its long. So ignore me if someone has made a comments that overrides this one.
But as for the developers being told to not develop for maemo. I have to wonder how that was worded.
Given everything we have been told in the past from Nokia.
And assuming I had faith in their desire and ability to stick with it (currently I do not but would hope a Nokia employee dose)
If a developer asked me for advice on the Maemo development.
it would be at the moment you would be better of developing for Meego then once you have it ready for consumer use back port it to Maemo.
Everything we have been sold indicates this is what Nokia expects. Development in QT is supposed to make this very easy.
And if Nokia plans to go all out on Meego this will be the revenue source that allows you to profit from your app.
People in Nokia are prolly being told to encourage this sort of development strategy.
So on goes my wishful thinking hat.
"Looks like the communications company failed to communicate somewhere and Instinctiv got the wrong message."
Hat off.
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2010-12-10
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I wonder. Most people get phones to use them to communicate with other people. Can the N900 be used as a communication device today? yes it can and it is among the best.
But the reality is that the N900 is not very popular, it is nothing compared with the 5800 and the N8, the OS is old and a change of direction to MeeGo has been anounced a long time ago.
Maemo is since long dead, and the N900 with it. Get over it, it is no use living in the past, and it is only a phone. If you don't like Nokia, there are thousands of other phones to try.
But the reality is that the N900 is not very popular, it is nothing compared with the 5800 and the N8, the OS is old and a change of direction to MeeGo has been anounced a long time ago.
Maemo is since long dead, and the N900 with it. Get over it, it is no use living in the past, and it is only a phone. If you don't like Nokia, there are thousands of other phones to try.
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2010-12-10
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Originally Posted by ste-phan
Not true.
You are aware that the Nokia N8 does not even have Skype?
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/...n_Symbian3.php
Originally Posted by ste-phan
Again, untrue.
You are aware that the Nokia N8 today does not even have a "share online" function? (for a camera phone)
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/..._adds_one_.php
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The problem is that QT is still very much a moving target so most app developers (US admittedly, don't know about the rest of the world) seem to opt for iOS and Android and not QT.
Would love to see their claims of write once and run just about anywhere come to fruition.
It would also be nice to have state aware apps so that when I close them and open them up again they open in the last place I left. This is particularly useful in Maps. BTW, this works incredibly well on iOS.
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Here's another example. A few days ago, Nokia released this marketing video about a fictitious character navigating effortlessly though social media, interacting with friends and etc. Most of the capabilities exist in some form admittedly but certainly not seemless as is implied. Would love to see them address that with QT and have the same UX for N8 and N900.
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